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Kaia20 · 14/03/2021 00:00

Reading posts about male harassment towards women... and seeing people post their experiences has got me wondering a few things.
I didn’t think it was ALL women that had experienced harassment and certainly didn’t think all women who had been SEXUALLY harassed by men but reading everyone’s experiences on other posts I’m starting to think it probably is ALL women.
So, I may be completely wrong asking this but I want to ask and appreciate anyone who wants to answer.
How old were you the first time?

I’m going to post my own experience here, but first want to say that if you don’t want to read about abuse in childhood you need to stop reading right now.

The earliest memory for me is not really a memory at all, just something strange that I didn’t think about much until I was an adult.
When I was no older than 4 (we left that house when I was 4 so I’m certain) I used to be petrified of the wardrobe in my bedroom and used to dream that the ‘Mummy’ thing from Thundercats (I think) used to take me in there and touch me.
I never thought much of it until it came up in a conversation about nightmares when I was an adult and I said “I used to dream Mumra used to take me in the wardrobe and rape me or something” to which my mum replied “Don’t be stupid, you weren’t even old enough to know what rape was”
It bothered me for a long time, I really wasn’t old enough to know what rape was, but I DID have those dreams and I had them often.

The first time I was sexually assaulted was when I was again, living in the same house so no older than 4, possibly younger too. It didn’t happen in our house, it happened in a shop called ‘Do it all’ where for some reason I was allowed to sit with the security guard whilst my parents went around the store. I sat on his lap and he was rubbing my private parts with his hand and I think he was trying to press into my vagina with his finger (through my clothes)
I remember this very very clearly, though I don’t remember anything about that day before or after. I didn’t tell anyone. This is the first time I have ever mentioned it.
The second time was in our house (same house, so same age range) where my cousin asked me if I wanted to ‘play sex’, he was on top of me both fully clothed, and I said no and he got off me. He’s 5 or 6 years older than me so was about 9/10.

Third time, again same house so similar age. Neighbours young teenage cousin was kissing and touching me in a tent in the back garden where we were all playing. It wasn’t forced. I didn’t think anything of it.

Fourth time I was about 8, man in our local newsagents (where my brother had a paper round) would touch/rub me at any opportunity and give me £1 when I left. I didn’t try to stop him. I always took the money. It sounds weird but it felt normal to me.

Fifth time I was around the same age, some work men were renovating some maisonettes near where we lived and he kissed me and touched me in the stair well, explained to me what it meant when a man ‘cums’ and also asked me if I had a little skirt and I should wear one next time I come round and play.

There is a lot more after these incidents too, with more men, but it’s about as much as I feel comfortable writing about.

I just would like to know how old other women were the first time. Because I don’t believe for a second I am the only one who went through this and thought it was ‘normal’
Not just once, and with people who were not linked to each other in any way shape or form.

Thank you if you’ve read this far. If you don’t mind sharing then thank you, I don’t mind if you don’t want to share what happened but want to answer the question with just your age. And of course if you don’t want to answer at all. I do understand if this post is completely not right for this forum.

OP posts:
Wanderlust20 · 14/03/2021 00:03

Jesus Christ, I am so sorry all of this happened to you! Not normal at all Flowers

Krazynights34 · 14/03/2021 00:06

OP - what the fuck??
This is the worst ever.
Have you got support?

Troublewaters2021 · 14/03/2021 00:08

So sorry this happened to you ❤️ I was 14 and it was my Teacher assistant. Ended me having 2 children with him 1 by the time I was 16 ❤️❤️

Merename · 14/03/2021 00:10

Yanbu at all to ask and I hope people tread gently on the thread. I think your experiences sound very distressing, particularly as they started so young. I don’t know the exact age but I was felt up when waiting to cross at traffic lights, when I was about 10. Then from 13/14, various incidents of being touched inappropriately by men. I think childhood sexual abuse like you describe is less common than teenage/adult harassment, but estimates for childhood abuse are between 20 and 40 percent for women, to my memory of when I was studying the issue.

Kaia20 · 14/03/2021 00:11

@Krazynights34

OP - what the fuck?? This is the worst ever. Have you got support?
I’m really OK. It’s not something that I think about often. Just reading posts about women being harassed by men made me think about it.
OP posts:
Laufeythejust · 14/03/2021 00:19

I’m so sorry that you have been through that. I think you are right, I think at some point most women have been harassed to some extent at some point in their lives. I was 14 and a lad put his hand up my skirt as I was in the crowd to get off the bus. I never said a word and told myself it must have been an accident but the same lad followed my friend home a week later, fortunately she managed to get away and ring the police.
Another time when I was 15 my boyfriend at the times dad took his phone and started sending me dirty messages pretending to be him, I knew it wasn’t him and called his phone, his dad answered and invited me round and when I said no he threatened me.
I think women talking about this is a good thing and I only hope that these type of things become less frequent.

Loocheeyar · 14/03/2021 00:21

Similar experience to you op and like you I worked out my age from the house I lived in so I was about 3/4 also
Neighbour was hurting me down there and on top of me
Uncle making me sit on his lap while he did for knows what behind me

Mums boyfriend making me give oral and splitting the sides of my mouth open
Lodger coming into my bed at night to molest me
Waking up to my step dad in my bed telling me it’s our secret not to tell anyone and spooning me
Being pinned down by the neighbourhood boys
First boyfriend sexually extremely coercive you are having sex before you know what’s happened every single times and only stopped when I moved away and got married
Losing a tennis ball on a low roof and a man coming out from nowhere ans lifting me up his hand under my skirt
I’m sure there is more I don’t really want to remember

lovelilies · 14/03/2021 00:26

I must have been about 6 when my mums male friend called me "sexy". I remember being uncomfortable.
I was 14 when I was abused by my mums boyfriend

Lellochip · 14/03/2021 00:27

I always think I've been very lucky when it comes to things like this, a few occasional drunken leers or comments really, but one that does stuck in my mind was being grabbed between the legs in a swimming pool, I was probably around 10 or 11? To be honest the kid doing it wasn't much older (not that that makes it any better) but what I do remember being almost worse was the reaction of the lifeguard I went and told. He was just awkward, obviously didn't really have a clue what to do about it. I don't remember if he even spoke to the boy but I do remember feeling embarrassed about telling him, like I was in the wrong.

hippychick11 · 14/03/2021 00:30

The first time I was about 7 when a man of about 50 started putting his hands all over me and running his fingers through my hair on my communion day. After that it happened from 12 upwards. I was always a very tall, quite plump child (later went on to develop anorexia). One creep actually told me I had a 'Woman's body ' when I was just 12

Cloudyrainsham · 14/03/2021 00:54

I’m sorry you’ve been through all that @Kaia20.

Nothing like that has happened to me. The things I remember are Lots of whistling and cat calling when I was in my 20’s which always made me feel really uncomfortable and having my Bum grabbed in clubs etc.

I used to work in Do It All when I was a teenager. I was on the exchange at the front and the amount of kids that were left there while their parents shopped was unreal. It’s just not something anyone would consider these days.

user1473878824 · 14/03/2021 00:56

I am so, so sorry that any of this happened to all of you.

grassisjeweled · 14/03/2021 01:08

This is just awful. Under the age of about 15 not much happened to me. After that it was on fire.

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