To think that if the only black adult in your family says they have experienced racism...

[Overcastcloudy]

... it's counterproductive to send a white man out to say, We're very much not racist?

That just is never going to end well. Ask Ian Murray how it worked out for him.

I couldn't care much either way about the Royal Family. Just baffled at the headline of William saying this.

Why name them?

Plenty of racist anecdotes from the past.

I’m astounded by anyone who thinks that the Rf is not racist to be honest.

Posts like this are gradually making me care just a little bit less about the issue.

Prince Harry has dressed up as a Nazi. How MM contemplated dating anyone who thought it was fun to dress up in a uniform like that is seriously beyond me.

She was in an amazing position to do so much for women who actually put up with real racism

What’s real racism?

I’ve been told I don’t experience real racism because I’m mixed race, “don’t have a black accent”, and I have a highly thought of career.
Only white people have told me this.

... it's counterproductive to send a white man out to say, We're very much not racist?

So by that logic only non-white families can deny being racist?

Has that ever happened - H&M recording his family and then selling it on?

I doubt any of us know whether H&M have recorded anything, but after the Oprah interview it seems pretty safe to say they've shared stories about "what someone said" for gain - financial or otherwise

Under these circumstances (and even though I detest them) it would be hard to blame the RF for exercising a little caution

See? They’ve got us all debating theoretical nonsense and still nobody knows who the actual racist is.

People are confusing the royal family and the Kardashian. Not everything has to happen in front of a camera to be true, how hypocritical of posters

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42462724

I remember that one, if you do like articles in the press.

@Thewordgame

He hasn’t spoken to his brother yet, even though his sister in law revealed she was suicidal at one point???? And experienced clear racism whilst living in the UK. He is a hypocrite if he supports mental health charities when he cannot even be arsed supporting his own brother.

All the ‘I can’t believe he hasn’t rung his brother about his suicidal SIL!’ comments - remember this is the same SIL who pretty much said Kate was a bitch who made her cry in the run-up to her wedding. If someone came on AIBU saying their SIL had made public allegations against her, and her husband had rushed to see if the SIL was okay, they’d be resounding cries of ‘Leave the bastard’.

You’re talking like Meghan’s claims in the interview will be the first William has heard of any of this. He worked closely with her and Harry when they ran a foundation together. He was heavily involved in their exit talks. The idea that the first he’d heard of any problem was from the TV seems pretty unlikely to me. We have no way of knowing what discussions went on long before the interview.

@WhiteSquare

We will never know who said what/why/how the royal family are keeping it private and H&M said they’ll never discuss it. I would be surprised if William wanted to speak to Harry

But by saying ''They'll never discuss it'' after saying a person was racist makes it far worse.

Because innocent people come under the beam of suspicion.

I immediately assumed Prince Philip, but then they said it wasn't him or the queen.

So that leaves Charles, Camilla, William, Andrew {Boak} Fergie, Anne, Kate.

Why not name and shame?

Because they are worried about losing those wretched titles they are so keen on?

If someone had disrespected me or my child, I'd say ''Ram your titles where the sun doesn't shine''.

But Titles=Money.

Cutting loose is the only way to go.

I’m confused by the whole thing tbh. She said several conversations were had - but Harry only referenced one and didn’t seem to imply this was said on multiple occasions.

His version seemed to say the conversation was had right at the beginning before she was ever even pregnant. But her version is that this conversation was specifically about Archie.

He’s basically allowed his father and brother to be thought of as racist - when clearly only one member of the family said it. I think it’s disgusting that they’ve allowed innocent people to be tarred with this.

@Overcastcloudy

... it's counterproductive to send a white man out to say, We're very much not racist?

That just is never going to end well. Ask Ian Murray how it worked out for him.

I couldn't care much either way about the Royal Family. Just baffled at the headline of William saying this.

Yes. It's a bit like Laurence Fox claiming there is no such thing as White Male Privilege. It's not merely ironic, it's also stupid.

@Ikora

Prince Harry has dressed up as a Nazi. How MM contemplated dating anyone who thought it was fun to dress up in a uniform like that is seriously beyond me.

Absolutely. I think everyone is forgetting this.

Will and Kate seem to be good people who have never done anything but carry on with their duties. I feel sorry for them having to defend themselves against something like this.

Meghan and Harry went on to say how they have been relentlessly bullied by the media and now they have purposely tried to incite the same thing against their own family.

@BlackBucketOfCheese

She was in an amazing position to do so much for women who actually put up with real racism

What’s real racism?

I’ve been told I don’t experience real racism because I’m mixed race, “don’t have a black accent”, and I have a highly thought of career.
Only white people have told me this.

For some, 'real racism' apparently only happens to people who are dark enough for it to count. Or it's expressed so overtly no-one can deny it.

It's interesting to consider how the media treatment Megan would appear if she were wholly African American. I feel it would look very different. Half the country vs one black woman - what would that look like?

@Overcastcloudy

... it's counterproductive to send a white man out to say, We're very much not racist?

That just is never going to end well. Ask Ian Murray how it worked out for him.

I couldn't care much either way about the Royal Family. Just baffled at the headline of William saying this.

Don’t be so bloody ridiculous OP you’re taking his comment out of context.

@Iggly

Why name them?

Plenty of racist anecdotes from the past.

I’m astounded by anyone who thinks that the Rf is not racist to be honest.

So if several members of your extended family are racist, and someone asked in public of your family was racist you'd say yes, we are?

@Tzigane

It’s astonishing the number of people who insist this family couldn’t possibly be racist.

People don't want to be made uncomfortable, they want the family who represent them to be as they should be, because the alternative is too much of a headache.

And quite a number of people on MN are racist themselves, or totally clueless about race, I've seen it with my own eyes, so they have a vested interest in not seeing.

Yes

@Ikora

Prince Harry has dressed up as a Nazi. How MM contemplated dating anyone who thought it was fun to dress up in a uniform like that is seriously beyond me.

Money can trump values, sadly.

The Nazi uniforms and disrespecting the Sandhurst Serviceman racially was well known about...But Harry represented money, fame and status.

That is like attempting to handle a rattlesnake and then complaining when you get bitten.

@Ikora

Prince Harry has dressed up as a Nazi. How MM contemplated dating anyone who thought it was fun to dress up in a uniform like that is seriously beyond me.

But Harry seems to have learnt, that's the point. Whatever prejudices and blindnesses he inherited from his family environment he's wised up.

@Tzigane the media treatment would be worse not better. At least she somewhat looks the part, ( I am obviously not saying she didn’t experience racism - she did but I don’t think it would’ve been better if she had darker skin tbh. Look at the way the media treat Serena Williams and she’s an athlete not married into the RF.

As a black woman she really, REALLY should have known what she was getting into

I think a black woman born and raised in the U.K. or a commonwealth country might have a better understanding and education and cultural experience of the royal family and the history of the Empire.
But to expect anyone from America to have that level of knowledge without deeper and wider reading is demanding rather a lot and to pin it on her race?

Do you think all of us little old black women should be aware of every regime and country who have abused us? Do you think we always have the time, energy and confidence to come up with the questions and research it? Why is that on the shoulders of black women? Why is so much placed on us?

I think a lot of people think their knowledge of the royals and their former empire is as deeply engrained in other countries as it is here. Quite simply it is not.

I’m sure there were many, many, many things to research about the family Windsor before marrying into it, maybe she knew there were racist elements? Maybe she knew of their past and assumed times had changed? That like most decent people times and attitudes had changed? That she would be protected? That the press and public wouldn’t be massively racist too?

Maybe she loved someone and wanted to marry him and assumed that this country was not so rotten and racist to the core that she would have to leave not two years after marrying a man born here.

Don’t be so bloody ridiculous OP you’re taking his comment out of context.

Don't think I am. The context is that the exact same defence saw the head of the Society of Editors forced out of his job. Yesterday.

More importantly, my point was that all context will be lost anyway - as everyone knows - and this is a bad pic/headline combo.

@Elsiebear90

I think the problem with the way they’ve gone about it is they’re being deliberately vague meaning it casts aspersions on the whole family, which is unfair imo. If it did happen they should describe exactly what was said and who said it as it’s a very serious allegation. I just can’t with the whole “someone said something to me which was terrible, but I’m not going to tell you exactly what they said or who it was”. If someone was racist then why protect them? They’re ruining the reputation of the entire family to protect a racist? Tell people who it was and what was said or don’t tell anyone at all.

But if they’d said who it was, they’d have had to deal with a public response and the subsequent fallout. Much better to hint and let people guess - creates more column inches, and brings in more viewers for the Netflix show.

As a black woman she really, REALLY should have known what she was getting into

that's a such a beautiful example of victim blaming.

I think if he was taking questions and then was asked this then his answer would have been a little different. They looked like they were leaving the event and a journalist shouted out to him after he had passed by so William answered in a short and final manner so as to end the conversation.
I'm not sure how anyone would expect a different answer from him especially when the statement yesterday said that recollections of different family members vary.