To think that if the only black adult in your family says they have experienced racism...

[Overcastcloudy]

... it's counterproductive to send a white man out to say, We're very much not racist?

That just is never going to end well. Ask Ian Murray how it worked out for him.

I couldn't care much either way about the Royal Family. Just baffled at the headline of William saying this.

The sacraments are the core of the church. It’s ridiculous to call it not picking, particularly in a US context where members of sacramental churches are disproportionately POC.

The sacraments are the centre of faith of well over a billion people. I doubt a billion people care who is or is not a Duchess or a prince.

Studies have been done on racism, code words and behaviours/language.

Lots of the stuff on this thread fit that pattern.

So if you hear an oink, chances are it is Pig

The whole discussion, if you read it, was of Archie becoming a prince on Charles becoming king. That's what my comments referred to. So saying Prince Harry will be the son of a king actually meant if he becomes the son of a King because it doesn't matter what the discussion is none of us know what will happen in the future and Harry might end up as the son of a King or the brother of a King or the Uncle of a King or all three. We have to wait and see. Well given my age I may not see the whole thing play out but others will.

@Puzzledandpissedoff

She had to have a big wedding because of RF protocol

Why?

Plenty of the RF have had more modest affairs, and while some of them have been a lot further down the "pecking order", that hardly applies to Anne as the Queen's own daughter.
And her second marriage couldn't have been quieter if they'd tried

I doubt she had much choice or wanted to rock the boat so early on.

From her account, she tried to fit in. But the experience was traumatic so no surprises that Shevardnadze left.

I had a big wedding too. I would have preferred a Cerys mall one (or just a court signature), but bowed to expectations.

He behaviour is perfectly understandable...if you want to relate. Or suspect and diabolical if you are inclined that way

But you didn’t make any reference to the payroll... and none of the royals you referenced receive official public funding anyway. (How much of their income comes from the Queen’s funds is a different issue.)

I rather assumed acquaintance with the issues of slimming down of the monarchy.

Eugenie and Beatrice received royal protection until 2011. They could have become working royals and received a sovergeign grant once they left uni, which is what Andrew wanted for then, but Charles overruled that. In 2016 Andrew wrote to the queen requesting that but was turned down.

P & P Michael had a grace and favour apartment at Kensington palace that was withdrawn as part of the slimming down operation.

We do it with hair colour, eye colour and all other sorts of physical attributes wasn’t Prince Charles always mocked For his ears ? Even the Queen said she is happy William didn’t inherit his ears upon seeing him for the first time as a newborn.

"Diabolical", Sprining?

I'm not sure if you know what the word means or if it's just another vague insinuation, but I've not seen anyone describe Meghan as devilish

Not yet, anyway ...

[quote Tzigane]@Truelymadlydeeplysomeonesmum

I'm not the one who needs to educate myself, (or indeed needs to learn how to spell my username correctly.)

Generation is not the key issue here. Harry will be son of a king, Zara will not.

2011 is when Eugenie and Beatrice's security was stopped. E was 20 and B 22 and both still at uni.[/quote]
The correction of spelling. The long gone mumsnet way of admitting you are wrong Anyway the spelling is a play on a theme that you obviously don't get😂

As for the girls they are the same generation as Harry and like you have pointed out there funding went much earlier. Harry is what 30 something? People have pointed this out to you before. You are just not able to understand what different generations are apparently 🤷‍♀️

Archie and his new sister are the same generation as Eugenie and Zara's children. None of which are direct heirs to the throne. In their generation only George, Charlotte and Louis are now entitled to titles under the new rules.

The slimming down of the royal family was underway before Meghan and Harry ever met! The general public were getting fed up of paying for this ever expanding burden. Maybe KHarry should have mentioned that to Meghan

Nothing wrong with the earlier ceremony. Possibly understandable that she wouldn't know that she was referring to what is known in the UK as a 'blessing'.

But surely he did and if so, knowing the programme would be watched by millions of Brits, why he didn't intervened just to clarify that in British terms, it was a blessing, to stop the endless stipulation?

It's so.ost as if they did want people to think that the public wedding was a sham.

@Sprining

I don’t see how it matters.

She had to have a big wedding because of RF protocol

She considers the private ceremony more meaningful

So...the whole point I presume is to nit-pick so as to discredit her?

’t the main thing that she felt isolated, bullied, suffered racism and trauma?

Some people seem to have an empathy bypass where MM is concerned. It is sickening ‘othering’ behaviour

Well said

Quote: Studies have been done on racism, code words and behaviours/language.
Lots of the stuff on this thread fit that pattern.
So if you hear an oink, chances are it is Pig"

Yes, and if it sounds like a Pharisee in the Temple, then it probably is.

Does it make you feel good going out each day and in your mind and on MN throwing "bigot" "racist" around? Absolutely horrid behaviour.

"Studies done into coded words that prove people are racists? "

There's also plain common sense that when someone acts like a hypocrite, then yes they are.

What makes you think people should credit you with any good intentions when you go around sprinkling abuse to people you don't agree with and somehow it makes you "better".

Have there been any studies you'd like to quote on people that hunt out "racist terms and coded terminology" actually have cold hearts? I think there could be a link, as so much of this "hunt a racist" terminology is like Pharisees in the Temple (being seen to be good/say the right things but at the same time treat other people like shit have a cold heart).

I can't imagine a parent accepting a child behaving the way some of the "hunt a racist" crew on MN behave.

Being seen to do the right thing/say the right thing but what's in your heart? I don't believe someone that has such low view of people's motives in general can have a good heart. Sorry your holier than thou will not ever hold water - your knickers are showing, whoops.

@ancientgran

The whole discussion, if you read it, was of Archie becoming a prince on Charles becoming king. That's what my comments referred to. So saying Prince Harry will be the son of a king actually meant if he becomes the son of a King because it doesn't matter what the discussion is none of us know what will happen in the future and Harry might end up as the son of a King or the brother of a King or the Uncle of a King or all three. We have to wait and see. Well given my age I may not see the whole thing play out but others will.

@AncientGran

If you read the discussion as I recommended you would have seen the comments related to the specific scenario of Charles becoming king - in which circumstance Archie would have become a prince had the rules not been changed.

It was not a general prognostication on the future.

Well also the fact that it has only been eight years since you could be in the line of succession if you married outside of the faith. And you still can’t be in the line of succession if you are a member of another faith.

So if anyone cares if any of these people can or can’t be future kings, it does matter what kind of wedding they have and what their religious beliefs are.

@Marmaladeagain apparently falls into the group more offended by accusations of racism than actual racism. Go figure.

To say ‘ she passes for white ‘ is racist...implying that white is the best . By the way she doesn’t you can clearly see she is mixed race .

@miserablecat

But they said she didnt know what questions were going to be asked so she wouldnt have been able to prepare a better worded answer

But she volunteered that information about the earlier ceremony. Oprah didn't know about it, so a question wouldn't have been expected.

The long gone mumsnet way of admitting you are wrong

Rather ironic given that I corrected your post with facts that are easily googable. The rest is just waffle and smileys.

Surely the Archbishop of Canterbury talked them through the meaning and the significance of the blessing and the actual marriage ceremony. If he couldn't make it clear to them then they must be a bit dense.

@derxa

Surely the Archbishop of Canterbury talked them through the meaning and the significance of the blessing and the actual marriage ceremony. If he couldn't make it clear to them then they must be a bit dense.

How does this matter? She talked about the wedding that was special to her, the private exchange of vows. What is the point of belabouring it?

@Firstbellini

They are to you. There are not to many deeply spiritual people for whom the sacraments i.e. religious ceremony and ritual are of no great significance.

Yes, he baptised her and confirmed her before the wedding.

They would have covered sacraments and her children losing the right to succession if they converted to, say, Catholicism, as part of confirmation preparation.

The sacraments don’t mean ‘religious ceremony and ritual.’

@Marmaladeagain

Anti racism is fraudulent eh? Your posts indeed clearer than you realise.

Yes, quick check your little book so you can see if you get another "feel good" buzz about yourself.

Lot easier than actually being a decent or good person isn't it, just playing "feel good" bingo and declare YOU know what's in everyone's mind and heart.

Yuk