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Employer says I must return to office

497 replies

Dishmatic · 09/03/2021 14:18

I’m currently wfh. A lot of people at my company are in the office and have always been.

Last year I wrote to HR and requested to wfh due to a health condition which makes me vulnerable to Covid.
This was approved and i’ve been wfh since.

I have my Covid vaccine this week. I told my work colleague that I’d booked it and yesterday I had an email from work asking for a catch up about retuning to the office.

I spoke to them this morning and they’ve said that now I’m being vaccinated I will be expected to return to the “Covid secure” office.

I didn’t say anything on the phone but I’m really not happy to go back in.

There’s over 70 people in my office building.
14 in the room I work in!!

AIBU to not go back in due to risks?

OP posts:
Jamboree01 · 11/03/2021 19:09

Same.

Jamboree01 · 11/03/2021 19:11

😂

Skysblue · 11/03/2021 20:08

We’re still in lockdown, the government guidance is work from home if you can, clearly in your job you can. You are following government guidance and your recent vaccine is irrelevant to that.

Tell them when you have completed your vaccine course and also the government guidance changes, you hope it will be possible for you to come in again, but it is not yet. Someone upthread said June - look up the guidance and quote it to them.

TheKeatingFive · 11/03/2021 20:49

Tell them when you have completed your vaccine course and also the government guidance changes, you hope it will be possible for you to come in again, but it is not yet

This is not her call.

Honestly, do people even want their jobs? Plenty of takers if they don’t.

rawlikesushi · 11/03/2021 21:51

@Skysblue

We’re still in lockdown, the government guidance is work from home if you can, clearly in your job you can. You are following government guidance and your recent vaccine is irrelevant to that.

Tell them when you have completed your vaccine course and also the government guidance changes, you hope it will be possible for you to come in again, but it is not yet. Someone upthread said June - look up the guidance and quote it to them.

Employers don't have to convince or persuade you to come into work. They tell you.
RootyT00t · 11/03/2021 23:08

@Skysblue

We’re still in lockdown, the government guidance is work from home if you can, clearly in your job you can. You are following government guidance and your recent vaccine is irrelevant to that.

Tell them when you have completed your vaccine course and also the government guidance changes, you hope it will be possible for you to come in again, but it is not yet. Someone upthread said June - look up the guidance and quote it to them.

It's not the employees choice Grin
saraclara · 11/03/2021 23:37

@TheKeatingFive

Tell them when you have completed your vaccine course and also the government guidance changes, you hope it will be possible for you to come in again, but it is not yet

This is not her call.

Honestly, do people even want their jobs? Plenty of takers if they don’t.

Bonkers isn't it? Clearly working from home has started to make people think they're their own boss now.

No wonder companies want their employees back in. It's going to their heads.

RedcurrantPuff · 11/03/2021 23:40

@Skysblue

We’re still in lockdown, the government guidance is work from home if you can, clearly in your job you can. You are following government guidance and your recent vaccine is irrelevant to that.

Tell them when you have completed your vaccine course and also the government guidance changes, you hope it will be possible for you to come in again, but it is not yet. Someone upthread said June - look up the guidance and quote it to them.

It’s for the employer to decide if the work can be done from home. The employee doesn’t get to dictate if she goes back to work or not, assuming she’s not shielding. Your advice would have her on a disciplinary!
RedcurrantPuff · 11/03/2021 23:45

I also wonder if the employers of those who say they “can work just as well from home” share the same opinion of the employee’s productivity

QueenPaw · 12/03/2021 12:42

@RedcurrantPuff mine do. We are heavily monitored. My manager knows when I am sending an email, when I am logged in/out, how many calls I take, when I take my breaks/lunch, calls are recorded and my screen is monitored. So me being at home makes absolutely no difference as I couldn't skive if I wanted to!

WombatChocolate · 12/03/2021 13:08

There seems to be a lot of people thinking they can decide what THEY want to do and what suits them, in lots of areas of life now. I think they forget that the employer hires you and sets the terms and you choose to accept or not.

Things have been different over this period. There has been and will continue to be more flexibility for a while and some employees might not ever return to the office. But that will be the choice of their employer and not the employee. People have lost sight of the fact that it isn’t the employee choice.

There are situations where a worker should NOT be asked to go into work by the employer, such as those shielding and in late pregnancy. And anyone who has concerns or wants some flexibility can always have a chat with the employer and they might be able and willing to be more flexible, but it will all be down to their personal choice rather than an entitlement. That’s the difference that some people aren’t spotting. And because workers in another organisation are allowed to work at home is irrelevant.

In this scenario, I agree that this has been sparked by OP telling people who are at work that she has been vaccinated, and there being a sense amongst the employer that they need to be fair, if others have worked all the way through and not had the concession to stay at home which she has. Ultimately, that was based in goodwill because she has never been CEV or shielding....and hasn’t actually mentioned anything specific which would oust her in a list to not work, except she feels it’s risky.

If this is an issue of extreme anxiety, it needs to be taken to the doctor and if a doctors sick note or intervention is deemed necessary, so be it.

Communication is key. Op didn’t take the chance to voice her concerns in a phone call dedicated to her return. She will need to speak up if she wants to ask for further flexibility, but she also needs to know there is no entitlement to this.

Lots of people will be expected to return to the workplace in the next weeks and months. Lots would rather not and feel anxious. They need to voice their worries and concerns and employers need to listen and make judgements about if they are of a nature which means they should act on them, or more that the employer just needs some gentle encouragement back.

In my workplace it has been made clear that those shielding (or the original list or recently added to it) aren’t expected back and steps will be taken to enable home working, (until end March...so not long now) and otherwise people are expected back. A contact is given for anyone who has concerns or worries about the return. Big firms know some people will be worried and will have people who will chat through safety measures etc...but ultimately they will be pushing people to return....and where people resist, they will be encouraged to see the doctor or occupational health and from there, adjustments might be made or disciplinary processes started. But firms know they will have a bit of an effort with some workers returning, but there will be processes in place.

The employeee cannot just say they don’t want to come back or stay silent and not engage with the process. There is a process and OP needs to engage with it.

peak2021 · 12/03/2021 14:12

@WombatChocolate I agree with the sentiment. Part of this decision making should have been not the employer or employees in my opinion. There are some professions where it should have been that you have to work from home- after all, government has decided certain shops cannot open, so why effectively allow offices carte blanche?

EthelMerman · 12/03/2021 17:48

I still have the rage about my colleague who is off to a funeral where there will be around 10-15 people present, albeit socially distanced and wearing masks. Yet she is refusing to come back to the office for two days a week because us filthy breeders might contaminate her now our kids are back at school. She won’t be with more than one person, in a big office, there will be a few people coming in and out because they need to collect stuff from us for their roles. And we’re in an industry that is allowed to operate.

RootyT00t · 12/03/2021 18:26

@EthelMerman

I still have the rage about my colleague who is off to a funeral where there will be around 10-15 people present, albeit socially distanced and wearing masks. Yet she is refusing to come back to the office for two days a week because us filthy breeders might contaminate her now our kids are back at school. She won’t be with more than one person, in a big office, there will be a few people coming in and out because they need to collect stuff from us for their roles. And we’re in an industry that is allowed to operate.
You sound LOVELY.
EthelMerman · 12/03/2021 18:43

@RootyT00t

Actually I am. I’ve supported this colleague through all sorts of crises and issues and as a team we’ve bent over backwards to accommodate her. It just feels that she can go out when it suits her, but when she’s asked to support the team, it’s a different story.

RootyT00t · 12/03/2021 18:46

[quote EthelMerman]@RootyT00t

Actually I am. I’ve supported this colleague through all sorts of crises and issues and as a team we’ve bent over backwards to accommodate her. It just feels that she can go out when it suits her, but when she’s asked to support the team, it’s a different story.[/quote]
I don't think a funeral suits her.

EthelMerman · 12/03/2021 19:30

No, @RootyT00t, I am sure she’d rather not have to go. But why not attend virtually if going out and being with multitudes of people is such a big deal?

It’s the way she implied that we’re all likely to infect her with Covid. Full PPE would be ridiculous but we are being exceedingly careful. The Covid risk assessment is regularly updated and measures are enforced, we’ve not stopped 2-metre distancing. We provide gloves, wipes, anti-bac, lateral flow tests etc. I’m not unaware of the seriousness of Covid, many of the workforce she’d be dealing with have had vaccine part 1.

RootyT00t · 12/03/2021 20:53

@EthelMerman

No, *@RootyT00t*, I am sure she’d rather not have to go. But why not attend virtually if going out and being with multitudes of people is such a big deal?

It’s the way she implied that we’re all likely to infect her with Covid. Full PPE would be ridiculous but we are being exceedingly careful. The Covid risk assessment is regularly updated and measures are enforced, we’ve not stopped 2-metre distancing. We provide gloves, wipes, anti-bac, lateral flow tests etc. I’m not unaware of the seriousness of Covid, many of the workforce she’d be dealing with have had vaccine part 1.

Because she wants to be there to pay her respects to her friend or loved one??
DoubleDessertPlease · 13/03/2021 01:22

XelaM
I can never understand people who claim working from home is less productive. Being at work 90% of my time (no exaggeration) was spent chatting with colleagues in/out the office/meeting for "marketing" drinks/coffees etc etc etc. Only a fraction of my day was spent on my actual work. At home, I start earlier, finish later, can concentrate on my actual work and am extremely productive. I am also contactable ALL the time.

I gather you don't work in IT. Or indeed in any measurable role.

Well I do work in IT, in a senior role, and 100% agree with @XelaM on this. I’m far more productive at home for exactly these reasons. And my performance is absolutely measurable.

user1481840227 · 13/03/2021 05:32

[quote Dishmatic]@TheFuckingDogs

My family member early 30s seems incredibly anxious for not much reason about Covid.

You do realise that Covid can be serious for people of ALL ages.
It’s great you’re not worried about it, but lots of people are, and they have good reason to be.

People like myself and husband have been living in the real world the whole time. It’s weird how scared some of the wfh types have become because of being so sheltered

The guidance is and has been for ages, to wfh![/quote]
It's different if you're vulnerable, but for non vulnerable people who are incredibly anxious for no reason then for many of them the anxiety is causing them more harm than covid ever would unless they were the one in a million person in their age category who got severe side effects.

Anxiety can wreak havoc on peoples mental health AND their physical health!

user1481840227 · 13/03/2021 05:32

That should have said complications, not side effects!

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