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To ask if anyone is now considering home education full time?

265 replies

PogTheDog · 05/03/2021 19:18

I know most people can't wait for their children to return to school on Monday. However, is anyone now considering (all already decided) full time home education?

I have loved teaching my primary school aged children and they have enjoyed it too. I will send them back to school on Monday as I'm not brave enough to make a commitment to it yet, but may consider starting in September. Anyone else?

OP posts:
Devlesko · 08/03/2021 19:28

Go for it OP,
They can always go back to school if it doesn't work out.
Please ignore these people who think you need a degree and Pg qualifications, what utter rubbish.
I do have these but that didn't help me to teach the kids Maths as I have the skills of a 7 year old in Maths.
I was able to support though and reinforce the basics as part of their play.

Blueeyedgirl21 · 08/03/2021 19:42

@BiBabbles but you are able to sacrifice making money to educate your kids in the way you want and feel is best for them, that’s the bottom line

BottleFlipper · 08/03/2021 19:55

@PogTheDog

I know most people can't wait for their children to return to school on Monday. However, is anyone now considering (all already decided) full time home education?

I have loved teaching my primary school aged children and they have enjoyed it too. I will send them back to school on Monday as I'm not brave enough to make a commitment to it yet, but may consider starting in September. Anyone else?

Just out of interest, what were you teaching them? Did you assist with set work that the school set online or did you go completely off piste because if its the latter then you haven't fully home educated as such - would you be able to set and provide lessons? Also you say primary children - would you be able to support the learning as they grew up?
BottleFlipper · 08/03/2021 19:56

Nuts, that should say if its the former then you haven't home schooled as such as you haven't set the lessons.

(How long til we get an edit function haha?!)

Baws · 08/03/2021 23:58

@LolaSmiles
If you’d bothered to read my posts you’ll find that my comments are only related to secondary education. Most people would be able to teach their own kids basic literacy and numeracy skills to an acceptable level by the age of 11. There would still be gaps in their knowledge but it could be argued that they would have the basic skills needed to access the secondary curriculum. Teaching the full range of curriculum content needed to pass GCSEs and A levels to ensure HE kids are at the same standard as their peers is not possible unless you are very wealthy and can afford tutors etc. You can try to justify your choices as much as you like but I haven’t seen a single argument on here to suggest otherwise, not one.
It’s interesting that less than 1% of school educated children in the U.K. are HE but so many of you claim to have thriving HE groups in your local area.

TAKESNOSHITSHIRLEY · 09/03/2021 03:22

well as a home educator since 2015 the stress of all the school from home/online learning didnt apply to us so we had zero stress

just think what everyone have experienced isnt home education at all. Or even home schooling(there is a difference in the home ed world)

if anyone is considering home ed, they need to research what it is and not expect it to be what everyone has been forced in to the last year or so

LolaSmiles · 09/03/2021 06:55

You can try to justify your choices as much as you like but I haven’t seen a single argument on here to suggest otherwise, not one.
Not my choices. I'm not home educating, but it's something I'm considering.
It’s interesting that less than 1% of school educated children in the U.K. are HE but so many of you claim to have thriving HE groups in your local area.
I've not made any reference to home education groups. Hmm
I've given a range of examples of people I know who have chosen to home educate because lots on this thread seems to be people with very little to do with home education deciding that:
Home education is a privilege and the preserve of the privilege
Home education gives children a leg up
Home education is terrible
Home education is awful because children who don't follow the national curriculum are held back

Meanwhile taking time to talk to people who to home educate shows that it's a really broad range of experiences and chosen for a range of reasons. You can no more say "home education is..." than you can say "going to school is..." as both are a range of the good and the bad.

WhoWants2Know · 09/03/2021 07:02

I know a couple of families who aren't sending their children back. It's like they've seen a different way to live and works better for them.

B33Fr33 · 09/03/2021 14:06

20:04LadyOfLittleLeisure yes. Really. But feel free to reinforce my experience by negating it Hmm

B33Fr33 · 09/03/2021 14:08

20:01crazyontheweekend the Midlands.

LadyOfLittleLeisure · 09/03/2021 16:22

@B33Fr33 sorry, didn't mean to negate your experience. No one should experience feeling unwelcome in a community. I am surprised though. Maybe it's hard to see outside my bubble and other areas aren't as accommodating as what I've experienced. Really sorry I put it badly. Personally I've found most HE groups very welcoming and accommodating, although I did find the radical unschooling community a bit 'purist' and difficult to get along with.

Devlesko · 09/03/2021 16:39

[quote Baws]@LolaSmiles
If you’d bothered to read my posts you’ll find that my comments are only related to secondary education. Most people would be able to teach their own kids basic literacy and numeracy skills to an acceptable level by the age of 11. There would still be gaps in their knowledge but it could be argued that they would have the basic skills needed to access the secondary curriculum. Teaching the full range of curriculum content needed to pass GCSEs and A levels to ensure HE kids are at the same standard as their peers is not possible unless you are very wealthy and can afford tutors etc. You can try to justify your choices as much as you like but I haven’t seen a single argument on here to suggest otherwise, not one.
It’s interesting that less than 1% of school educated children in the U.K. are HE but so many of you claim to have thriving HE groups in your local area.[/quote]
What do you mean gaps in their knowledge, how?
How would you find these gaps unless the parents were following a curriculum like the nc.?
Your post doesn't make sense.
Why do you assume that secondary age would follow the nc?
Do you know anything about H.ed. Mine went into school fine after not following a curriculum, they studied the topics they were interested in from as many subjects as they liked Confused

doesitfebreze · 28/03/2021 07:36

@BiBabbles

I've no plans to change at the moment, but I actually know more than a few home educators who are discussing getting their children, particularly teenagers, transferring into schools and colleges. Many have found lockdown home educating brutal in many ways.

For several years I home educated four children full time, then starting in 2019, my older three chose to go to school either full time or part time -- to just end up back home, but with their school work.

I'm still full-time home educating my youngest, part time home educating a teen who is hoping to go full-time at college in September everything going well enough. I'm actually mostly worried about these two, particularly my youngest as all his social activities have been closed for nearly a year. I'm definitely mulling over how to best support him as things reopen when we're unsure when or even if some of his things will return. And yes, I'm in the bad parent camp where I'm looking forward to 8:30 on Tuesday when my 16-year-old will leave to go back to college - we all need it, mostly him.

There are pros and cons, benefits and risks and responsibilities to all the education options which all give different experiences. Neither the home ed is shite and schools are so beneficial and home ed is amazing & we can do everything and schools are shite sides are fully representative. I think part of the reason some of us home educators get so defensive is its often assumed we're doing it out of bad motives and many of the issues in home education show up in schools so when people are pro-school education act like it only happens to home ed kids, it can feel like ignoring crap on your doorstep to point at ours.

Yes, social isolation is an issue for some in many home education communities - it can also be for children who are school educated. Not everyone makes lovely friends in school. Poor academics and lack of access to qualifications is an issue in home education communities, there can be additional barriers when you have to pay and find exam centres -- but when all the schools around you are 'inadequate'/failing that have essentially had years of children written off because it's that part of town or your child's needs have already been failed by a school, pointing out that some home ed kids aren't getting well educated and parents can't teach everything so are limiting out children's options can feel like a bit of a slap and fake concern for our children.

@Bibabbles Interesting. I was agreeing with this post, only to look and see your username. It's funny that we agree and I was basically saying the same thing in my other thread where you were full-on both antagonistic and defensive; basically trying to put down our personal home ed experience because you've "been doing so for 10+ years" and know better. Think the Elon Musk name must have affected you more than I thought for you to not see this was what I was trying to say but not fully, as it wasn't about home ed anyway.

Anyway, yes I agree with your post here (From the 4th paragraph, that is. The other ones are about your personal life). I, too, have home-educated from start and been doing so for over 16 years now.

doesitfebreze · 28/03/2021 07:44

@BiBabbles

I haven’t seen a single argument on here that will make me think that HE kids are not disadvantaged.

I'm not actually trying to compete with schools. I think there are pros and cons to all types of educations. I'm well aware that there are areas where a good school will do better than me, but I am really tired of people comparing home education to schools that have the resources to teach those skills well - that's not what everyone has access to.

We don't teach children interpersonal skills just by having them be in a room together anymore than we teach them music by just having them in a room with musical instruments. Sure, some pick it up, but all those lovely social skills - just being in a school doesn't automatically teach that, or we wouldn't have so many adults that struggle with them after going through the school system. It's more complicated than that.

Yes, there are disadvantages to home educating and greater barriers to some things, particularly in areas with less support. I am more than happy to talk about them, but whether they're more disadvantaged than the school depends on the school options available and the child and family involved.

This thread has really proved that home education is the preserve of the privileged. To be able to work flexibily enough from home or manage on one salary is a huge huge privilege. I assume not many kids from disadvantaged socio economic backgrounds are home schooled, even though it might be really good for them? Just shows you that although money can’t buy happiness it can buy A LOT of other leg-ups in life

From our children being disadvantaged to giving our children a leg up...

Yes, as I mentioned in my previous post, I'm so privileged to live between not one but two inadequate primary schools that have safeguarding issues. There are also 2 more often than not inadequate secondaries, 1 yet to be anything but inadequate UTC that had so many problems that the DoE "allowed" them to not take in an entire year's cohort so they could focus on fixing the issues, and 1 secondary that's a new free school that doesn't yet have an OFSTED report or really much to base it on which yes has some teething issues but my DDs are pinning their hopes that it will be great.

Beyond the city college, those are the school options for me and the thousands of households around me. I quite like where we live, we enjoy many benefits of living here with low costs and easy access to amenities, but the school options are definitely a disadvantage of this area. The resources it would take to really help them are unlikely to happen while my children need them. It's a boat the 'disadvantaged socioeconomic' around me deal with however our children are education. Home educators I know in-person are all in this boat with me.

I do think it's wonderful that we can give our children options, but I don't see the benefit in oversimplifying the complex lives of families into calling home education or work that makes it possible either a privilege or a problem anymore.

Good education options shouldn't be a privilege, and many of us are giving our children what we can through our time and doing without whether our children are school or home educated or both. Both of them have costs in time, money, energy. I'm not spending less money now with children are at school, though I would argue that I've have less option to 'shop around' for things with schools - the required blazer costs what it costs, the very specific coloured pens cost what they cost. I spend less time on some parts of their education, but more in others.

The problem is that many people have a negative view of teaching in general as well as a total lack of awareness of the skills needed.

I think more government officials and "journalists" are like that which is how we've ended up with so many undersupported schools and undercompensated school staff.

Home educators have a wide range of opinions on teaching and skills involved and are unlikely to have much an impact on what many people think on those topics.

@Bibabbles Totally agree with this too and my thoughts exactly. Not sure what went wrong on your end that day or perhaps I read your posts wrong. Just surprised we have similar views on home ed.
Cannotgarden · 28/03/2021 07:49

I thought about it, I'm an academic so I'd have to give up my career but I know my child would get a better education at home. She wouldn't get the social interaction she craves though, even with a ton of social clubs, she needs to be sat alongside peers and experience the world by herself without me. So she probably won't get the grades she could get if I was there to guide it all but she will get a whole lot more.

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