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To think a 5 term school year is a shit idea

127 replies

Edenspirits · 05/03/2021 18:03

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.heart.co.uk/news/school-years-could-be-split-into-five-terms/

Honestly, I actually think the kids need time out of school in normal times where there is so much bloody pressure.

I know this year has been awful but honestly, what do they need to ‘catch up’ on apart from playing with their friends?

This endless pressure drives me insane. Kids don’t even start school in some countries until age 7 yet we have ours doing SATS and all kinds of nonsense. There’s literally no joy in our education system.

Aibu?

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Cuppaand2biscuits · 06/03/2021 08:59

Our local authority dropped summer holidays to 5 weeks in the summer and added the extra week to October holidays a few years ago.
Lots of people moaned about it because they would rather time off in good weather so people won't be happy about 2 weeks in February.

I would be, I don't think a weeks break is long enough to relax and do fun stuff.

BigGreen · 06/03/2021 09:16

Frankly I'm in awe of how well my kid's teachers have done, in bringing this drab material to life. God knows I couldn't manage it in homeschool! YANBU, the 'fake pressure' thing is spot on. Covid has made me realise how much the U.K. state squashes the life out of teachers, nurses and other key people in public life.

Howshouldibehave · 06/03/2021 09:43

More time in school in the summer when it's pleasant to throw all the windows open and outdoor lessons can be increased.

Having done a bit of research around why the long holidays are in the summer, it was heavily based around experts at the time deciding that it was bad for children’s health to be inside during the hot weeks and they should be out, having fun getting lots of fresh air. Nothing to do with the harvest which is a popular myth from DM readers wanting to ‘do away’ with relics from the past!

Opening a small window and expecting 100% concentration when it’s boiling, is not going to happen. Even in my own small school, on hot days if we want to go out onto the playground for a story/practical activity for a break from the heat, we are fighting with 8 other classes for it and then there’s no shade, 10 haven’t got a hat, 5 have no water bottles, 8 have no suncream and you end up fielding parental complaints.

namechange2547 · 06/03/2021 10:06

The secondary schools I'm looking at for DS already do this, 8 week terms, 2 weeks off and 4 weeks for summer. Not sure what I think of it tbh, I think it could work quite well for us as a working household although a pain with youngest in primary. I think 4 weeks is enough for summer.

wonderstuff · 06/03/2021 10:11

@Tanaria a good point, teaching in the summer is horrible in some schools. Lots of schools were built in the 1970s and they have no insulation, no air conditioning and huge windows with only a teeny tiny bit that opens and they get really hot. I taught for two years in a room with south facing windows that offered no noticable ventilation and all my blinds were broken!

CornishPastyDownUnder · 06/03/2021 10:15

One of the(many) reasons I chose to emigrate to Oz before having kids OP...
The pressure cooker environment of school leaves many kids burnt out and disengaged by yr 8& directly off the back of that they start gearing up for GCSE's, so many mental health issues embedded for life through such insane pressure..3 of my old uni mates teach in high schools and were pretty incredulous at the lack of pressure and emphasis on sport/arts in schools over here..they all, in one way or another seemed to equate more work with better outcomes-until one of them had her son take an overdose and get sectioned& admitted at the local mental health ward-direct pressure from her "exam revision system" she printed and blu-tacked all over his bedroom walls after making him remove everything he had up when his school constantly complained his grades had slipped and he needed help to learn how to study more.
Uni here is cheaper and easier to get into but they also really try and get kids on trades/college and industry apprenticeships if they aren't so academic and dont believe one approach fits all... and at least at the end of it all, a job, decent wages and far better work/life balance are much easier to come by.
We only have yr 11 and 12 over here that actually count-no such thing as GCSE's or comparable.
My DC didnt start school til 6.5 yrs old and learnt to surf and kayak and simply enjoyed being kids longer instead.
The DC current school has 37 weeks in a year& no half terms just longer holidays. I couldnt be happier away from it all over here : )
The UK has massive problems mostly stemming from the inadequate inflexible education system and general poor support/disregard for the mental health of young people (dont get me started on the sacrifices they've been made to endure in the name of covid).

Maldives2006 · 06/03/2021 10:19

@Kaia20

My yr 8 son just got 93% in a maths test covering the work from the last few months of home learning. Education has still been happening, what kids and families need is general normal life.

Do you really think the children of the government and their friends are going to have their school year messed with??

MuddyWalks · 06/03/2021 10:23

One of the joys of childhood is the long summer holidays stretching ahead of you.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 06/03/2021 10:24

Why is school work bollocks though? The workplace is becoming more and more competitive nowadays and will continue to do so

This was in response to a frontal adverbial? Obviously the world will stop turning if people don’t know this. I got a degree, postgrad and taught secondary for 25 years without knowing what a fucking frontal adverbial is.

With regards to the second point: The Millennialls are coming. This is the group that watched their parents getting stressed over work and decided ‘fuck that, I’m doing it differently’ l think as we move forwards work will become less competitive with the potential rise of a universal income. And so it should be. Social trends go in circles, and kick back against the previous trend. People should work to live, not live to work.

Gen Z will be the same.

Loudhouse · 06/03/2021 10:25

I’m a teacher and a parent.

Yes, children have missed out terribly but all the different suggestions coming from the government about how to help them catch up is a load of nonsense. Summer classes, 5 term years, etc. Ultimately, the unions have a firm hold on teachers pay and conditions (thank god). Teachers cannot be forced to work extra weeks, so who would be doing this extra teaching? Those who volunteer who want some extra money. Lots wouldn’t volunteer, maybe because they have children, many because they are exhausted from remote learning. Children need consistency and teaching from staff that already know them and their individual levels, in order to make progress. Instead, they would get whoever has volunteered.

As PP have said, a switch to a 5 term year will still be the same number of teaching days and hours - it is all detailed down to the last hour in teachers’ contracts. So the children wouldn’t get more teaching at all. It would just be spread differently. Would that make a difference in terms of child fatigue? Personally, I’m not convinced. And the longer holidays do allow teachers to recuperate, it’s an exhausting and relentless job. There aren’t that many perks to the job (teachers don’t even get paid for the holidays), so if you take the long breaks away, I suspect even more will be driven out early by burnout. The dropout rate in teaching is already huge.

And from a parent perspective, I far prefer the longer holidays when the weather allows me to get the children out and about every day, getting their vit D hit and just enjoying themselves outdoors. I’d be really sad if some of those weeks were shifted to months where the weather is rubbish.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 06/03/2021 10:27

And l think children need more holidays not less. Education is such a pile of over competitive shit these days. It’s not about the fun of learning. It’s about squeezing them through the exam machine with no regard to mental health. Schools are so big on safeguarding, but not on safeguarding the mental health of their overworked, over tested adolescents.

Aquagirl19 · 06/03/2021 10:33

[quote Edenspirits]@Kaia20 this last year has made me question the entire education system to be honest. It’s just full of fake pressure at far too young an age with shitty measurements like SATS.[/quote]
100% agree with and relate to this.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 06/03/2021 11:18

And the robots are coming too. How can you compete against one of them in terms of competitiveness and performance management😂

RandomLondoner · 06/03/2021 12:11

What a terrible idea, weeks and weeks off when it's cold and horrible. Why would anyone want more time off in February?? or October??

I want more time off in February. The cost of skiing doubles if you go in the half-term week, that's thousands extra. Two weeks to choose from might help. (Although by my calculation, the proposed change may make things worse, instead of 1 week in February, it would give 2 at the start of March, when the snow is melting.)

RedGoldAndGreene · 06/03/2021 12:42

I think that the school year should be rejigged. School should end in June like in Scotland since July is usually the best weather of the year. Going back to school in August and 2 weeks for October half-term sounds much better to me.

peak2021 · 06/03/2021 12:43

@RandomLondoner a first world problem if ever there was one. Many people struggle to feed their children during school holidays.

Howshouldibehave · 06/03/2021 13:20

I don’t want two weeks of in February-the weather is crap and I can’t afford skiing. I’d much rather have the holidays in July/August when they are.

I can’t see things changing-there is no one solution that will please the majority so it’ll get left as it is.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 06/03/2021 13:42

Yeah skiing😂 like the whole of England prioritise skiing in Feb 1/2 term.

NeverDropYourMoonCup · 06/03/2021 13:53

@RandomLondoner

What a terrible idea, weeks and weeks off when it's cold and horrible. Why would anyone want more time off in February?? or October??

I want more time off in February. The cost of skiing doubles if you go in the half-term week, that's thousands extra. Two weeks to choose from might help. (Although by my calculation, the proposed change may make things worse, instead of 1 week in February, it would give 2 at the start of March, when the snow is melting.)

And the operators/hotels/resorts won't just increase the price of the second week to match the other?

Not to forget that they'll quadruple the cost of the 4 weeks in summer and 2 in October for non skiing holidays...

zzzebra · 06/03/2021 13:53

I think rejigging the holidays to spread them out a bit more would be a good thing.

Take 2 weeks off the summer holidays and add them onto the current 1 week half terms to make then 2 weeks each.

That said, with Easter in March/April it makes it difficult to distribute the weeks fully evenly. Ideally you'd have something like 4 weeks in July and then then 2 weeks in May and Sept when the weather is still usually alright.

I do think it would help with child fatigue. And from a selfish POV it would have it easier for childcare. Covering the 6 weeks is costly, spreading this cost more evenly over the year would hugely help. Plus even with grandparents to help, it's a lot to ask for the 6 weeks summer holidays.

BackforGood · 06/03/2021 17:39

Instead of insisting all kids do extra, they should spend more time and money closing the attainment gap that was already bad and will now be worse. But the vast majority will be just fine.

This ^

Spidder · 06/03/2021 21:00

4 weeks off in the summer would feel like you were never off the treadmill. 6 weeks is enough time to do school work, wipe the previous year away and get ready to start again.

We only get nice weather in this country for about 4 months. Especially further up the country. More time in Feb would be shit. Easter would mess up exam revision. An extra week in May would just mean more days of extra revision during the other week.

Keep the 6 weeks and maybe the gov could put money into activities, fun activities, for kids, rather than expecting schools to do it all.

Loudhouse · 06/03/2021 21:57

@Spidder

4 weeks off in the summer would feel like you were never off the treadmill. 6 weeks is enough time to do school work, wipe the previous year away and get ready to start again.

We only get nice weather in this country for about 4 months. Especially further up the country. More time in Feb would be shit. Easter would mess up exam revision. An extra week in May would just mean more days of extra revision during the other week.

Keep the 6 weeks and maybe the gov could put money into activities, fun activities, for kids, rather than expecting schools to do it all.

Neve roff the treadmill... that’s exactly it. Perfectly put.
Loudhouse · 06/03/2021 21:57

Or ‘Never off’ even ...

Todayissunny · 07/03/2021 13:41

@tal45
February we ski, which I realise for most people in the uk isn't an option so I understand 2 weeks in Feb is not ideal.
October lots of people go to Greek islands, sardinia, turkey. It's cheaper than in summer, less crowded, weather is still warm. but we can't afford that and ski so usually go hiking locally, camping, stay at home. Weather can be lovely in central europe and alps in october. I prefer it to summer.
5 weeks summer holidays are long enough, especially if you have to organise childcare. My kids are teens now and even that is too long for them to be hanging around without a proper structured school day. When they were younger we used to go away for 3 weeks holiday in the summer which was lovely.
I find that 2 weeks does go quite quickly even if we are at home without much planned. The kids like to spend time at home and meet friends.

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