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to wonder why Rishi Sunack hates the disabled?

213 replies

drinkingcherrywine · 02/03/2021 14:15

I am just not sure I can feel any worse right now about how the U.K. is treating its most vulnerable but tomorrow may tip me over the edge. We have had what little societal, health and charitable support there was swept from under us during the pandemic, costs of living have gone up massively (especially for shielding), medical care a distant memory, rent evictions are underway, it gets worse every day.

The government has increased the standard allowance in Universal Credit and the basic element in Working Tax Credit for one year. Both have increased by £20 per week on top of planned annual uprating. This applies to all new and existing Universal Credit claimants and to existing Working Tax Credit claimants.

So no uplift for carer parents of disabled children claiming child tax credit. Or anyone on legacy benefits who will be worse off on UC (majority disabled). If you are a shielding adult you will be vaccinated soon hopefully but will still be told to continue shielding. If you are a shielding child no vaccination for you, stay in for however long we say, could be another year could be longer - no one cares, you are invisible and shall remain ignored.

Shielding means staying in so expensive due to;
no budget groceries via yellow stickers, end of day reduced etc
no going to library to use computer/ask for help
no going to friends/family/public buildings to reduce home heat/electric/food budget
no going to visit offices who won't answer the phone drs/ council/utilities/citizens advice etc
no taxis/public transport
no sharing childcare favours
no organised affordable group trips

Some of this list was all that kept people going before. Life is more restrictive and much much expensive in many more ways for shielding. The assumed 'local' help that keeps being touted as a fix all simply isn't in existence sufficient to bridge the growing chasm.

www.swlondoner.co.uk/life/25022021-disabled-legacy-benefits-claimants-struggling-with-pandemic-poverty/

If you aren't working due to disability you aren't worth it right?

And no being a ft carer and saving society a fortune in caring obligation doesn't count. Being unable to find a job that flexes to include disability or being too unwell to manage paid employment doesn't count.

If you aren't working due to disability then you aren't part of society. No thousand pound uplift so no worries about uplift continuation. As long as everyone understands the disabled's place in our billionaire budget maker's societal hierarchy, right Rishi?

www.jrf.org.uk/blog/20-weekly-uplift-must-be-extended-legacy-benefits

It cannot be right that some of the most at-risk members of our society have not been thrown the same lifeline as those on Universal Credit. It would be operationally simple to extend the £20 uplift to legacy benefits as part of the usual annual uprating decision later this month. The Government has an opportunity to right this injustice, strengthen social security and help many families stay afloat in these turbulent times. This would send a clear signal that they are committed to supporting everyone in our society.

www.z2k.org/latest/why-the-20-uplift-in-universal-credit-must-be-extended-to-those-on-legacy-benefits/

We want to see the 2.2 million ‘legacy benefit’ claimants get the extra £20 a week too. For us, it still beggars belief that the Government thought it was right to give the increase to one kind of claimant, but deny it to others, especially when you realise that three-quarters of those 2.2 legacy benefit claimants are disabled people on Employment Support Allowance.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/100-groups-demand-20-benefits-23025818

OP posts:
CausingChaos2 · 10/03/2021 12:36

‘Why was universal credit uplift not extended to those on legacy benefits, MP asks
SNP MP David Lingden says he welcomes the government's decision to extend the £20 universal credit uplift for six months.

But he says he would like to see this move "made permanent" and asks why it was not extended to "people on legacy benefits like disabled people".

Johnson says: "I'm very proud of what universal credit has been able to achieve and he should perhaps take it up with his friends in the Labour Party who wanted to abolish universal credit."’

Link

CausingChaos2 · 10/03/2021 12:38

@drinkingcherrywine

Watching the interview makes the disablism behind this decision even clearer, he even says it is designed to force people onto universal credit, implies those on legacy do not have low income and classes carers as not working.

Repugnant.

I had a similar reply from my MP when I raised this with him Cherry

He said claimants can move over to UC if they think they’d be better off. Conveniently he didn’t mention the erosion of things like the severe disability premium they would lose in time if they did so.

Pinkfreesias · 10/03/2021 13:19

Thank you to this poster for acknowledging that lockdown is nothing new to many disabled people. I get so angry when I see people selfishly moaning about being stuck at home, only able to go out exercising once a day (I wish!). I hope some people will realise that, while this is temporary for them, it is permanent for many, many people with disabilities.

pepeleputois · 10/03/2021 13:35

Tories don't want people to live comfortably on benefits. Their whole ethos is around people taking personal responsibility and creating their own wealth etc etc.

what's wrong with that?

DGRossetti · 10/03/2021 13:40

@pepeleputois

Tories don't want people to live comfortably on benefits. Their whole ethos is around people taking personal responsibility and creating their own wealth etc etc.

what's wrong with that?

Because it's a crock. It's what they tell the less bright while they shovel taxpayers money into their boots.

Just ask Dido "where's that £37 billion" Harding, if you don't believe me.

£37 billion would pay for a fucking moon mission.

Mumofsend · 10/03/2021 13:42

As a carer for two disabled children I am MORE than happy to resume my career and high income if the government fund the 1-1 20 hour a day care they each need :)

FoxyTheFox · 10/03/2021 14:09

what's wrong with that?

Is basic dignity only for employed people then? What about "luxuries" like food, heat, and housing?

pepeleputois · 10/03/2021 14:29

@FoxyTheFox

what's wrong with that?

Is basic dignity only for employed people then? What about "luxuries" like food, heat, and housing?

what's wrong with having pride in yourself and paying your own way? Confused

Benefits are a temporary safety net, not a way of life.

CausingChaos2 · 10/03/2021 14:39

Benefits are a temporary safety net, not a way of life.

What a cruel statement. What about disabled people who are unable to work? Astounded that you would describe that as ‘a way of life’ when it is clearly not a dignified position most people would want to be in.

DGRossetti · 10/03/2021 14:45

Benefits are a temporary safety net, not a way of life.

Has anyone told whatever causes Multiple Sclerosis ? We're probably doing it wrong. Why don't you pop over @pepeleputois (don't worry, we're always in) and stand over DW to tell her MS the way things are in your head ? I'll film it, and we'll put it up on YouTube to show the world how everyone is a scrounger.

Deal ?

willibald · 10/03/2021 15:08

what's wrong with having pride in yourself and paying your own way? confused

Benefits are a temporary safety net, not a way of life.

What's wrong with society taking care of people who are unable to work through disability decently?

FoxyTheFox · 10/03/2021 16:18

what's wrong with having pride in yourself and paying your own way? Benefits are a temporary safety net, not a way of life

Regardless of why someone is on benefits or how long, they're still a human being. They are still worthy of being treated with compassion and dignity. Benefits aren't a punishment, they're supposed to be a hand up not a shove down.

Then there are people who are unable to work. Many disabled people and their carers are not able to work due to their needs and/or caring responsibilities. Of those who are able to work, many employers are not accommodating of those needs and/or caring responsibilities and so either dint hire them in the first place or very quickly force them out of the workplace by making the position untenable. Do we then abandon disabled people and their carers to their fate in the belief that they should pay their own way? Have a good, hard think about it...

The measure of any society is in how it treats its most vulnerable members.

pepeleputois · 10/03/2021 16:24

@CausingChaos2

Benefits are a temporary safety net, not a way of life.

What a cruel statement. What about disabled people who are unable to work? Astounded that you would describe that as ‘a way of life’ when it is clearly not a dignified position most people would want to be in.

if you are UNABLE to work, that's when the safety net applies by definition.

But I was replying to the poster talking about unemployed people... so a temporary situation

pepeleputois · 10/03/2021 16:28

@DGRossetti

Benefits are a temporary safety net, not a way of life.

Has anyone told whatever causes Multiple Sclerosis ? We're probably doing it wrong. Why don't you pop over @pepeleputois (don't worry, we're always in) and stand over DW to tell her MS the way things are in your head ? I'll film it, and we'll put it up on YouTube to show the world how everyone is a scrounger.

Deal ?

if you are not a scrounger, why do you take my comment personally?

We all know that some people COULD work but chose not to: they earn more by being on benefit, they don't like the hours, they don't like what is on offer, they wouldn't possibly consider relocating.

These are the ones we need to remove from the system.

put it another way: the less scroungers, the more resources will be available for those who need them.

Anyone on benefit by choice but who can afford holidays abroad is a clear sign there's something very wrong with the system. It's not that difficult to police when we are on an Island!

DGRossetti · 10/03/2021 16:29

if you are UNABLE to work, that's when the safety net applies by definition.

You mean your temporary safety net. Takes a lot of effort to put extra words in than it does to leave them out. I think you've made yourself clear.

I suppose at the end of the day life itself is temporary.

FoxyTheFox · 10/03/2021 16:32

Who are all these so-called "scroungers" jetting off on foreign holidays? I've worked in the benefits system, I have friends and family members who are on benefits, I have yet to meet a single "scrounger".

FoxyTheFox · 10/03/2021 16:32

put it another way: the less scroungers, the more resources will be available for those who need them.

You're deluded if you think this is even remotely true.

tenredthings · 10/03/2021 16:34

Because he's a Tory and it's survival of the fittest/ richest and fuck the rest of us.
Socialism is for suckers. It's libertarianism all the way with bonus prizes for psychopaths and empathy is a dirty word.

DGRossetti · 10/03/2021 16:35

@FoxyTheFox

Who are all these so-called "scroungers" jetting off on foreign holidays? I've worked in the benefits system, I have friends and family members who are on benefits, I have yet to meet a single "scrounger".
Good question. Let's have a look.

Again.

to wonder why Rishi Sunack hates the disabled?
pepeleputois · 10/03/2021 16:35

@FoxyTheFox

Who are all these so-called "scroungers" jetting off on foreign holidays? I've worked in the benefits system, I have friends and family members who are on benefits, I have yet to meet a single "scrounger".
Do you want me to give you a couple of the names I know? Confused

What a stupid question, you think you know the people I mean?

pepeleputois · 10/03/2021 16:37

DGRossetti

why does it have to be one or the other?

Dealing with one problem doesn't mean ignoring all the others.
How would that work if the Health system or justice system was doing just that..

pepeleputois · 10/03/2021 16:40

what's 1 BILLION in the grand scheme of thing.

BILLION.... Hmm

DGRossetti · 10/03/2021 16:41

if you are not a scrounger, why do you take my comment personally?

Because every crackdown on these scroungers seems to leave my DW in a worse position than before and so I have a personal stake in this.

DW is probably going to predecease me. It's the nature of chronic wasting illnesses. Maybe it will be quick and painless. Maybe not. Once it happens of course, then we'll find that because I wasn't able to work the past few years, and because I was happy to see £37 billion got to Dido "Wheres the L" Harding, I haven't been able to save let alone pay into a pension. And when that wicked day comes, you will be there to lecture me - and all the other fucking mugs carers on threads like this about morality and architecture.

When lockdown is over you can stop posting here, and return to kicking peoples crutches away to see who's faking it and who isn't.

FoxyTheFox · 10/03/2021 16:42

Do you want me to give you a couple of the names I know?

If you believe someone is claiming fraudulently you should report it to the DWP or HMRC, depending on which benefits they are claiming. Based in statistics, I can guarantee you are almost certainly incorrect as less than 2% of claims turn out to actually be fraudulent.

What a stupid question, you think you know the people I mean?

No, I really don't. Feel free to elaborate.

FoxyTheFox · 10/03/2021 16:44

what's 1 BILLION in the grand scheme of thing.

National spending is usually over £920 billion a year (probably more now with all the covid expenditure), one billion really is nothing in that context.

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