To cancel the new trampoline?

[ChampagneWorries]

Dd 8 has been asking for a trampoline for around 2 years. I’ve always said no due to the injury aspect of them but then i came across springfree trampolines. They claim to have eliminated 90% of the injuries children have on trampolines so i decided that maybe i was being over cautious and i should let her have one.

I also have a ds who is nearly 4 but his head is larger than the proportion of his body and he is 30cm smaller than dd.

I know they will be arguing about the one person at a time thing and i am worried about one of them landing funny and causing a significant injury to themselves (more so ds due to the proportion of his head and body)

I know plenty of children have them with no injuries etc.

I ordered a springfree trampoline last night and then after a few hours i decided it wasn't a good idea and have rang to cancel it this morning.

The lady on the phone wanted to know why i wanted to cancel so i explained about ds and the worry about one of them landing funny and causing a significant injury to themselves.

She said there was alot of misinformation online about trampolines and really did the hard sell!

Am i a kill joy?
Am i being over cautious?

The majority of trampoline injuries occur when there is more than one child bouncing. Maybe get the trampoline but only allow one child to bounce at a time and under your supervision? There are potential risks with any physical activity but you have to weigh this up against the benefits.

risks" - I presume you'll be fine with your kids injecting heroin in a few years' time?

Yes, yes I’m practically planning for it - after all I let them jump four at a time on the trampoline so it’s to be expected..

Yes. Because heroin is EXACTLY the same as a trampoline. Fucking daft analogy.

Kids get injured while playing. Be it bikes, skates, trampolines or (gasp!) climbing trees. I'm sure doctors and nurses go on about it as they're a relatively new thing to have in the garden.

If you get one at least follow the safety advice on that RoSPA link, one at a time, not for under 6s etc.

@ShetosheYes. Because heroin is EXACTLY the same as a trampoline. Fucking daft analogy.

Nope. It's not "EXACTLY the same". Hence being an analogy.

One is a high-risk activity that involves bouncing on a big bit of elastic, the other is a high-risk activity that involves injecting chemicals into your veins.

Both are enjoyable. Both are risky. If life is "all about risks" and we should embrace all pleasurable activities, regardless of how many warnings we get from doctors, nurses, personal experiences, etc., you should be fine with both.

@DropDTuning

All those who disregard the doctors, nurses, etc. saying they would never get one because of the very high percentage of injuries, some life-changing, because "life is full of risks" and "you can't have fun unless you take specific risks" - I presume you'll be fine with your kids injecting heroin in a few years' time?

That's hilarious. Have you ever heard of positive risk taking? It's a bit different to taking heroin. I think children who have been allowed to assess risk themselves and feel trusted are probably more likely to be sensible than those who have no clue because they've been wrapped in cotton wool their whole lives.

@AtSwimTwoBerts That would be a pretty stupid thing to presume.

Could you explain why one risk is worth taking for the sake of pleasure, while the other isn't?

Thanks.

@wokeasfuck That's hilarious. Have you ever heard of positive risk taking? It's a bit different to taking heroin.

Why is it different?

Nope. It's not "EXACTLY the same". Hence being an analogy.

But it’s a very bad analogy - the two are in no way comparable. If you think jumping on a trampoline is comparable to injecting heroin there is something a bit wrong with you.

Could you explain why one risk is worth taking for the sake of pleasure, while the other isn't

One is a childs toy that is good for exercise, balance, and many other things. It's wholesome outdoor fun.
And one is fucking HEROIN.

Are you always this obtuse?

@AtSwimTwoBerts Could you explain why one risk is worth taking for the sake of pleasure, while the other isn't

One is a childs toy that is good for exercise, balance, and many other things. It's wholesome outdoor fun. And one is fucking HEROIN. Are you always this obtuse?

You haven't explained at all. You've just said, again, that they are different activities. I'm aware of that. They are both high-risk, pleasurable activities. Many, many posters throughout this thread have stated that risk doesn't matter, that it's absolutely fine to take part in an extremely high-risk activity, even against medical advice, because it's enjoyable. I'm asking you why that doesn't also apply to heroin?

You can take heroin outdoors by the way. And it's lots of fun. 'Wholesome' is an absolutely meaningless value judgement and can be

@DropDTuning

All those who disregard the doctors, nurses, etc. saying they would never get one because of the very high percentage of injuries, some life-changing, because "life is full of risks" and "you can't have fun unless you take specific risks" - I presume you'll be fine with your kids injecting heroin in a few years' time?

Very High Percentage? Percentage of what 'Child Hours jumped on Trampoline'?

A number of injuries, without knowing how many 100,000s of kids spend how many hundreds of hours bouncing up and down, whilst not meaningless, is not helpful in gauging the relative danger compared to other activities.

Yes, there is a risk, and naturally those that see the outcome of when it goes wrong are more cautious, but not all dr & nurses stop their kids using trampolines. A number of friends of ours are doctors / nurses / physio's working in the relevant fields, and they still have trampolines for their kids

@Loopyloututu2 But it’s a very bad analogy - the two are in no way comparable. If you think jumping on a trampoline is comparable to injecting heroin there is something a bit wrong with you.

I've explained repeatedly why it's a good analogy and why the two are indeed comparable. Without needing to resort to an attempt at personal ad hominem abuse. Try again?

@HowManyTimesHaveIToldYou *Very High Percentage? Percentage of what 'Child Hours jumped on Trampoline'?

No. A very high percentage of the accidents seen in paediatric A&E, and an even higher percentage of the life-changing accidents seen there.

A number of injuries, without knowing how many 100,000s of kids spend how many hundreds of hours bouncing up and down, whilst not meaningless, is not helpful in gauging the relative danger compared to other activities. Yes, there is a risk, and naturally those that see the outcome of when it goes wrong are more cautious, but not all dr & nurses stop their kids using trampolines. A number of friends of ours are doctors / nurses / physio's working in the relevant fields, and they still have trampolines for their kids

Do you disregard all of those who have posted on this thread who work in those fields? Because their anecdata is just as valuable as your friends'.

@HowManyTimesHaveIToldYou
Here's some actual data which you can share with your 'friends'.

Trampolines cause (in the US) about 100,000 injuries per year.

One in 200 injuries leads to permanent neurological damage.

More than 95 percent of fractures happen at home. Medical authorities advise against any home use of trampolines.

Approximately 15 percent of injuries on trampolines happen to children younger than 6, and young children constitute up to 37 percent of patients evaluated in emergency rooms after trampoline accidents. Research has found that young children have the highest risk of serious injury — including spine and leg fractures.

About 104,729 of those individuals of all ages who were injured [in the US in the calendar year 2006] were treated in emergency rooms and released. The rest, an approximately 4,793, were either hospitalized or dead on arrival.

www.shawcowart.com/7-terrifying-statistics-trampoline-safety/

www.which.co.uk/news/2020/08/whats-the-most-common-injury-children-have-on-a-trampoline/

www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/childrens-health/expert-answers/trampoline-exercise/faq-20058001

health.clevelandclinic.org/surprising-dangers-of-trampolines-for-kids/

You haven't explained at all. You've just said, again, that they are different activities. I'm aware of that. They are both high-risk, pleasurable activities. Many, many posters throughout this thread have stated that risk doesn't matter, that it's absolutely fine to take part in an extremely high-risk activity, even against medical advice, because it's enjoyable. I'm asking you why that doesn't also apply to heroin?

So the answer is yes, you are always this obtuse?

Can you tell us the positives of heroin that are analogous to the positives of trampolines?

@AtSwimTwoBerts
Sure, I'm happy to answer your question even though you (a) haven't (can't) answer mine, and (b) have decided to double down on personally insulting me, to cover up the fact that you can't answer.

Can you tell us the positives of heroin that are analogous to the positives of trampolines?

Pleasure. Change from routine. Release of endorphins/dopamine. Expands the imagination. A 'buzz' from breaking out of the rigid confines of normal experience. Inspires creativity. Takes you out of yourself. Relieves depression and anomie.

Would you like to have a go at answering any of my questions now, or would you like to call me 'obtuse' a third time, hoping that it will be the magic third time lucky and somehow make a worthwhile point this time?

@AtSwimTwoBerts Oh so sorry, I forgot to add 'taking risks is inherently valuable and if you don't take risks you are wrapped up in cotton wool and will fail at life'. Over to you.

DropDTuning
@HowManyTimesHaveIToldYou Very High Percentage? Percentage of what 'Child Hours jumped on Trampoline'?

No. A very high percentage of the accidents seen in paediatric A&E, and an even higher percentage of the life-changing accidents seen there.

That just means that kids are more likely to get injured on a trampoline than the other activities they do at that age, such, I don't know, play with dolls, or lego, or hide and seek. It has more risk, which most people agree on. That's not the same as being inherently dangerous

A number of injuries, without knowing how many 100,000s of kids spend how many hundreds of hours bouncing up and down, whilst not meaningless, is not helpful in gauging the relative danger compared to other activities. Yes, there is a risk, and naturally those that see the outcome of when it goes wrong are more cautious, but not all dr & nurses stop their kids using trampolines. A number of friends of ours are doctors / nurses / physio's working in the relevant fields, and they still have trampolines for their kids

Do you disregard all of those who have posted on this thread who work in those fields? Because their anecdata is just as valuable as your friends'.

No, just pointing out there is more than one point of view from those with first hand experience of this.

And your heroin analogy is frankly barking mad

Also Rospa - 67,000 have an accident in the kitchen and 58,000 on the stair

Yes what's the point? how many people go in a kitchen or on the stairs vs how many people are on a trampoline a day? Additionally, those aren't risks that can be avoided. I can't avoid the stairs in the UK as most people don't live in bungalows. Trampolines are responsible for a huge amount of injury despite being infrequently used by the general populationand only for a small portion of the year.

But for the record, when my children were young I was extremely cautious around the stairs and in the kitchen because I'm not a shit parent and stoves and hot drinks are dangerous.

Had 7 kids. Huge trampoline, no nets - none of them has ever broken a limb, no accidents at all on said trampoline all adult now including one a doctor - great exercise and lots of fun. I would say only draw back is springs can squeak a bit if you have fussy neighbours (trampoline not children).

I have a 16 and 11 year old and have had trampolines for years, my youngest has done all sorts of back flips and tricks and never had a injury but broke her foot 4 weeks ago doing a tik tok in the kitchen.

@Batshitcrazy82

I have a 16 and 11 year old and have had trampolines for years, my youngest has done all sorts of back flips and tricks and never had a injury but broke her foot 4 weeks ago doing a tik tok in the kitchen.

They haven't had an accident yet. Past performance does not guarantee they won't have an accident tomorrow.

[quote DropDTuning]@HowManyTimesHaveIToldYou
Here's some actual data which you can share with your 'friends'.

Trampolines cause (in the US) about 100,000 injuries per year.

One in 200 injuries leads to permanent neurological damage.

More than 95 percent of fractures happen at home. Medical authorities advise against any home use of trampolines.

Approximately 15 percent of injuries on trampolines happen to children younger than 6, and young children constitute up to 37 percent of patients evaluated in emergency rooms after trampoline accidents. Research has found that young children have the highest risk of serious injury — including spine and leg fractures.

About 104,729 of those individuals of all ages who were injured [in the US in the calendar year 2006] were treated in emergency rooms and released. The rest, an approximately 4,793, were either hospitalized or dead on arrival.

www.shawcowart.com/7-terrifying-statistics-trampoline-safety/

www.which.co.uk/news/2020/08/whats-the-most-common-injury-children-have-on-a-trampoline/

www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/childrens-health/expert-answers/trampoline-exercise/faq-20058001

health.clevelandclinic.org/surprising-dangers-of-trampolines-for-kids/[/quote]
So out of 110,000 injures that are so dangerous and life changing, 96% weren't even admitted

And there is still no numbers as to how many children and hour are spent on trampolines, so no context.

But I guess your kids will be OK, as they are sitting mainlining heroin

@HowManyTimesHaveIToldYou That just means that kids are more likely to get injured on a trampoline than the other activities they do at that age, such, I don't know, play with dolls, or lego, or hide and seek. It has more risk, which most people agree on. That's not the same as being inherently dangerous

It is inherently dangerous. I shared a huge list of links and statistics with you in one of my previous posts.

No, just pointing out there is more than one point of view from those with first hand experience of this.

Every single poster on this thread with first-hand experience has said that they would not allow their child on a trampoline. You claiming that your 'friends' would say something if they were here, which they're not, isn't 'first-hand'. It's, at best, second-hand. The actual first-hand opinions expressed here are uniformly opposed.

And your heroin analogy is frankly barking mad

That's an insult. Not an argument. No one has yet made any sort of valid rebuttal whatsoever: just thrown insults.