Women’s domestic abuse charity loses funding

[SaddenedByThis]

Aibu to be really upset by this?

Sorry, I know it’s a Sun link but I came across this on Facebook and I’m appalled.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/14129416/domestic-abuse-charity-gender-neutral/

Women’s Aid boss Nicki Norman, said: 'We are at serious risk of losing our network of refuges run by women for women'.

@Proudboomer

Brighton council is now Green Party run so residents should get used to crappy anti women policies.

*Anti-non-men

Ah yes, the Green Party; who knew their Coventry HQ was the same address where their MP's Election Agent tortured and sexually abused a child in the attic. Then were incredibly slow to act and investigate how this all happened under their own noses. Yeah safeguarding should be ok in in their hands.

Mridul lied and engaged in deceit.
It really shouldn't be about how well you pass.

Mridul underwent medical treatment and then got on with her life? Maybe she’s good at her job? Is her medical history any of your business?

Should passing trans women be allowed to be doctors and nurses? Should they join the police, they may have to do searches?

What about teachers? Would a ‘passing trans woman’ be a bad example for children? Social workers that supervise children? Hairdressers? What if you don’t want a born male to touch your hair? Should all passing trans women have to disclose their past medical history before they cut your hair? At what point?

Taxi drivers? Suppose you call a mini cab company (not Babs Cabs) and you ask for a woman driver. The company sends out a woman driver who happens to be a passing trans woman who’s worked for them for 10 years and has never mentioned her past because she never thought it relevant. She turns up - is that deception in your view?

Counsellors?
Painters and decorators? They may be alone with you in your house.

Just how many jobs and careers do you think ‘passing trans women’ should be excluded from?

[quote Mynotsoperfectlittlefamily]@TrialOfStyle
Like I said I fully support women's services and especially DV support. But they should not just be taking it on her word[/quote]
So what should they do? What proof should they ask for?

@Anovaneway

Mridul lied and engaged in deceit. It really shouldn't be about how well you pass.

Mridul underwent medical treatment and then got on with her life? Maybe she’s good at her job? Is her medical history any of your business?

Should passing trans women be allowed to be doctors and nurses? Should they join the police, they may have to do searches?

What about teachers? Would a ‘passing trans woman’ be a bad example for children? Social workers that supervise children? Hairdressers? What if you don’t want a born male to touch your hair? Should all passing trans women have to disclose their past medical history before they cut your hair? At what point?

Taxi drivers? Suppose you call a mini cab company (not Babs Cabs) and you ask for a woman driver. The company sends out a woman driver who happens to be a passing trans woman who’s worked for them for 10 years and has never mentioned her past because she never thought it relevant. She turns up - is that deception in your view?

Counsellors?
Painters and decorators? They may be alone with you in your house.

Just how many jobs and careers do you think ‘passing trans women’ should be excluded from?

There are definitely certain areas where a person's sex is relevant.

I experienced rape. I didn't go to the police but if I'd had the courage to I would have not been able to go through with it if my medical examination was to be performed by a transwoman. In addition if I had subsequently discovered that the examiner had been a transwoman I would have felt further violated.

Some situations should centre the person experiencing trauma and not the person supposed to be delivering support.

To your taxi driver question. When I was a student there was a special taxi service to take female students from the local town centre back to campus. This service only employed women drivers. This was due to the high number of female students being attacked on public transport or sexually assaulted or propositioned by taxi drivers.
Do you think in this situation it would be reasonable for the taxi service to have substituted a transwoman driver? Especially bearing in mind that transwoman as a group retain male patterns of offending? (NATWALT)

However, this is not about Mridul. I brought Mridul up in response to this comment from a PP.

I don't know of a single organisation that would expect a female victim to be counselled by a transwoman. It would be egregiously bad practice to foist an unwelcome counsellor upon a service user without their express consent,

"As an occupational requirement, the post is open to women only under the exemption afforded by schedule 9 part 1 of the Equality Act 2010."
Unless the taxi service or hairdressers are using the same exemption then Mridul is welcome to apply for jobs there.
Thats the exemption my local rape crisis are using to employ female only staff and counsellors.
If the one Mridul applied to work at has the same exemption, which they would be using in the best intrests of the service users, then Mridul has been deceptive and selfish.
I could say more but I'm likely to be deleted.

I imagine the taxi service could have used this part of the Equality Act

SCHEDULE 9
Work: exceptions
Part 1
Occupational requirements
General
1(1)A person (A) does not contravene a provision mentioned in sub-paragraph (2) by applying in relation to work a requirement to have a particular protected characteristic, if A shows that, having regard to the nature or context of the work—
(a)it is an occupational requirement,

(b)the application of the requirement is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim, and

(c)the person to whom A applies the requirement does not meet it (or A has reasonable grounds for not being satisfied that the person meets it).

It was over 20 years ago now and in those days nobody would have argued that a female only cab firm was anything other than a great idea. I remember reading a statistic that only about 2% of taxi drivers in the UK are female.

I experienced rape. I didn't go to the police but if I'd had the courage to I would have not been able to go through with it if my medical examination was to be performed by a transwoman. In addition if I had subsequently discovered that the examiner had been a transwoman I would have felt further violated.

Some situations should centre the person experiencing trauma and not the person supposed to be delivering support.

Sorry to hear that. Yes of course that sort of service should centre the needs of the service user.

Especially bearing in mind that transwoman as a group retain male patterns of offending?

If you include transvestites etc quite possibly. I don’t accept that if you’re looking at medically transitioned/ transsexuals. Based on one single paper that showed only an increase in those that transitioned before 1989 and not since. It also reported an increase in violent crime amongst female to males.

I imagine the taxi service could have used this part of the Equality Act

Yes for a specific female service. And it would be up to that service whether they wanted to exclude trans women or not. It’s not compulsory. But you could ask for a female person in any service, even those that weren’t single sex exemption services. Sex could matter in any service to some people for all sorts of reasons.

Trans fish are fish.

Thank you Anovaneway

Yes for a specific female service. And it would be up to that service whether they wanted to exclude trans women or not. It’s not compulsory. But you could ask for a female person in any service, even those that weren’t single sex exemption services. Sex could matter in any service to some people for all sorts of reasons.

I think the problem is that many services do not realise that in particular circumstances (female safety, mental health issues, dignity etc.) they are allowed to specifically select on the basis of sex. The media and current diversity training have convinced people that the exceptions apply to gender rather than sex.

Anyone who says I’m a shark just because I was assigned shark at birth is a bigot and deserves to be bitten.

Seahorses are horses

Do not read the comments under that article. Utterly depressing. Full of MRAs.

Mridul underwent medical treatment and then got on with her life? Maybe she’s good at her job? Is her medical history any of your business?

That particular rape centre worker acquired their job by deception, does not have a GRC and afaik has not had surgery.

That particular rape centre worker has a very unusual attitude towards women, particularly women that disagree with that person. Mridhul posted a rather gory image of an Indian god famed for violence with a severed head in hand in retaliation for a woman disagreeing with them. Mridhul also ran for election on an All Woman shortlist.

It is not obvious how Mridhuls personality or attitude towards women commend Mridhul to the job.

@Anovaneway

Mridul lied and engaged in deceit. It really shouldn't be about how well you pass.

Mridul underwent medical treatment and then got on with her life? Maybe she’s good at her job? Is her medical history any of your business?

Should passing trans women be allowed to be doctors and nurses? Should they join the police, they may have to do searches?

What about teachers? Would a ‘passing trans woman’ be a bad example for children? Social workers that supervise children? Hairdressers? What if you don’t want a born male to touch your hair? Should all passing trans women have to disclose their past medical history before they cut your hair? At what point?

Taxi drivers? Suppose you call a mini cab company (not Babs Cabs) and you ask for a woman driver. The company sends out a woman driver who happens to be a passing trans woman who’s worked for them for 10 years and has never mentioned her past because she never thought it relevant. She turns up - is that deception in your view?

Counsellors?
Painters and decorators? They may be alone with you in your house.

Just how many jobs and careers do you think ‘passing trans women’ should be excluded from?

Should passing trans women be allowed to be doctors and nurses? Should they join the police, they may have to do searches?

Should a woman who has PTSD be forced to explain why she doesn't want treatment from a male doctor?

Should a vulnerable woman be forced to submit to a search from a male-bodied officer?

What if I don't want a born male to touch my hair? Then the born male shouldn't touch my hair. I'm astounded you think that I should be forced to accept anyone touching my hair if I say no.

If a male knows and understands that a woman has explicitly requested a female person, for whatever service, for whatever reasons, why in the name of fuck would they think it okay to over ride her clearly stated boundaries and wishes?

To answer your question - any space that has explicitly and clearly been 'female only' should not allow males. Males should respect the wishes and boundaries of females. It doesn't matter if the male changes their physical appearance - a male person is male no matter how they present.

What makes you think a male is entitled to ignore female boundaries, ignore female consent and do as they please?