THANKS A LOT BREXITEERS (and good luck when you order items from abroad)!

[customchaos]

I recently bought some art through an online website (think, a bit like Etsy, but not that one). So the item was £400, plus £140 delivery, which I did think it was a lot, but it was being shipped from Russia. Anyway, two weeks later, I get an email from the website company, to tell me the item is being held at the depot and I am required to contact Parcelforce to pay a customs tax. I phoned up and the tax is to the tune of £140. For an item costing £400! Apparently this is the new post-Brexit norm. Just to get what you have ordered over the border!

I’ve also ordered more art from Bulgaria which is apparently in its way now and I’m really worried as this was more expensive (just under £3000). Does this mean I going to be charged another ridiculous amount as customs tax?

I’ve been on to HMRC today and they are no help, beyond saying “yes this is because of Brexit,” “No we’re not sure if you’ve been charged the right amount or why,” and “You will need to pay first and them make a claim if you think you’ve been overcharged.”

So basically, is this the end of ordering from abroad? What madness is this?

So are all you antiBrexiteers going to donate your Covid Vaccination dose to the EU because they have cocked up the vaccine roll-out programme?
Britain has soared ahead of Brussels with its vaccination programme by signing a contract with AstraZeneca three months before the bloc stopped dithering over a decision. But this has sparked fury as the EU demanded doses be sent from British plants to make up for a European shortfall this week. The UK was able to accelerate its vaccine contract due to Brexit. Boris Johnson did not need to wait for a bloc-wide agreement before quickly signing up to millions of doses.

@WhenISnappedAndFarted,
"Everyone else I personally know voted remain and they did it not only for themselves but also for the country and for the younger generation. So no, not everyone did it for themselves."

OK so you and your pals won'[t mind giving away you Covid Vaccine doses to the EU, who seem to need them apparently?

I cast my vote for me not the world and his dog. And so did everyone else
If you think that I was the only person who had a personal agenda then you have a lot to learn about human nature

Most people didn't have a clue what they were voting for, no idea of the WTO, EAA, EFTA, SM and CU or how any of these affect their lives and the wider UK economy.
Anyone who voted leave, voted to make the uk poorer, you included Anita.

Unfortunately, we are all about to find out how these things impact our lives, UK fishermen are just the first.

@Dg390
"Key thing AnitaB888 unless you are really rich you will be negatively affected by brexit because the Uk is about to get a whole lot poorer"

Please lend me you crystal ball or give me evidence of this.

@AnitaB888 absolutely fine

@customchaos

I recently bought some art through an online website (think, a bit like Etsy, but not that one). So the item was £400, plus £140 delivery, which I did think it was a lot, but it was being shipped from Russia. Anyway, two weeks later, I get an email from the website company, to tell me the item is being held at the depot and I am required to contact Parcelforce to pay a customs tax. I phoned up and the tax is to the tune of £140. For an item costing £400! Apparently this is the new post-Brexit norm. Just to get what you have ordered over the border!

I’ve also ordered more art from Bulgaria which is apparently in its way now and I’m really worried as this was more expensive (just under £3000). Does this mean I going to be charged another ridiculous amount as customs tax?

I’ve been on to HMRC today and they are no help, beyond saying “yes this is because of Brexit,” “No we’re not sure if you’ve been charged the right amount or why,” and “You will need to pay first and them make a claim if you think you’ve been overcharged.”

So basically, is this the end of ordering from abroad? What madness is this?

If my biggest worry was ordering art from abroad I'd be grateful, but you may be misled by information from youtube/facebook.

Ordering from Russia has nothing to do with Brixit for a start.

Oh and where does this money you have to pay go to? You might want to check that.

The UK was able to accelerate its vaccine contract due to Brexit. Boris Johnson did not need to wait for a bloc-wide agreement before quickly signing up to millions of doses.

Nobody needed to wait, the UK took an option that was available all the EU nations - Brexit was irrelevant.

@notimagain

The UK was able to accelerate its vaccine contract due to Brexit. Boris Johnson did not need to wait for a bloc-wide agreement before quickly signing up to millions of doses.

Nobody needed to wait, the UK took an option that was available all the EU nations - Brexit was irrelevant.

Correct. Hungary, as one example, has done its own thing.

AnitaB888
The evidence - our growth rate is already slower than the rest of the ru - and we have massively slowed growth already due to coming out of eu! Businesses moving out to eu Abs loads not investing (Nissan hasn’t pulled out yet thanks to very hefty support from the government which we can’t afford for every business).
And did you notice we just decided to pull away from our largest and closest trading partner (basic economic issue!
But if you really think brexit is going to be economically all fine and no-one can tell then I suspect nothing will convince you including facts. i get the brexiteers who say sovereignty is worth any amount of hardship - I don’t agree but it is a view. The ones like you who say it is all going to be fine economically and no-one can tell... no one can argue you with blind faith
And shock horror the wonderful scientists who created the vaccine - well Uk scientists were 95 per cent remain !

@jasjas1973
"Most people didn't have a clue what they were voting for, no idea of the WTO, EAA, EFTA, SM and CU or how any of these affect their lives and the wider UK economy."

"So here we go again with the 'all Brexiteers didn't know what they were voting for' mantra. Please change the record."

"Anyone who voted leave, voted to make the uk poorer, you included Anita."

We may be slightly poorer in the short-term but I don't see how stopping pumping £billions into a failed EU non-democratic superstate can make us poorer in the long-term.

And it's not just financial matters. EU has been trying to block the export of vaccines to UK

Democracy has decided.

It's not overwhelmingly important in the scheme of things if you have to pay some tax. There will be winners and losers, as ever.

If you don't like it don't buy from countries which will result in you paying.

Don't ask for sympathy. Not at the present.....

@GCAcademic
"Hungary, as one example, has done its own thing."

Because the Magyars care about their citizens more then the other EU countries who preferred to wait for a cheap deal negotiated by the bloc.

Way to go Hungary, I can see Hungexit coming next !

We may be slightly poorer in the short-term but I don't see how stopping pumping £billions into a failed EU non-democratic superstate can make us poorer in the long-term

In a 2 trillion economy, 10 or 12 billion is hens teeth.

And it's not just financial matters. EU has been trying to block the export of vaccines to UK

That's a bit of a mire because the EU didn't did they? the art16 thing didn't even last 24hrs and was never actually implemented.

However, i wonder how you and the rest of the UK would have reacted if OxZ vaccines were being sent to the EU, from the UK, whilst we all went without?

I can imagine your howls of protest and calls to block their export.

Because the Magyars care about their citizens more then the other EU countries who preferred to wait for a cheap deal negotiated by the bloc.

But Hungary joined the EU vaccine programme? All 27 EU member states joined?

Hungary also chose to purchase other vaccine doses outwith the EU scheme.

As could all other EU states.

@Dg390

AnitaB888 The evidence - our growth rate is already slower than the rest of the ru - and we have massively slowed growth already due to coming out of eu! Businesses moving out to eu Abs loads not investing (Nissan hasn’t pulled out yet thanks to very hefty support from the government which we can’t afford for every business). And did you notice we just decided to pull away from our largest and closest trading partner (basic economic issue! But if you really think brexit is going to be economically all fine and no-one can tell then I suspect nothing will convince you including facts. i get the brexiteers who say sovereignty is worth any amount of hardship - I don’t agree but it is a view. The ones like you who say it is all going to be fine economically and no-one can tell... no one can argue you with blind faith And shock horror the wonderful scientists who created the vaccine - well Uk scientists were 95 per cent remain !

Think of it as leaving a position with a company with a pension etc and starting your own business.

If two weeks in friends said "Well you're not rich yet so it was stupid to leave" what would you think of their grasp of the situation?

Of course we could be worse off long term. People who start their own businesses are gambling on independence versus safety which is why it's a useful analogy. Some do badly and some do well.

Judging it this soon is just not thinking clearly. Had we not joined in the first place we'd have made trade deals along the way. Now we must make them all at once which is hardly ideal. Not to mention that we must do it in the middle of a pandemic.

Reminding myself that brexit has been in place not even 2 months so far so if you voted brexit on the Basis that things would be economically fine or only a bit of short term pain it will take some time before people reassess and the true believers never will
Enjoy your optimism AnitaB888 - do you also think Northern Ireland is also going well (although I think hard brexiteers think that is the fault of the wicked EU too who just won’t do the decent thing and give us all the benefits of the club we left while we break all the rules).

@jasjas1973

"However, i wonder how you and the rest of the UK would have reacted if OxZ vaccines were being sent to the EU, from the UK, whilst we all went without?
I can imagine your howls of protest and calls to block their export."

The EU took it upon itself to try to block a legally binding agreement that the UK had for vaccine delivery that was agreed upon some 3 months prior.
Just more bully-boy tactics from the EU who are as mad as your ar$e that we aren't being a cash-cow for the block any more.

LastTrainEast
We have to rebuild every one of our trade deals whilst also aiming to move away from our closest geographical partner. That is the work of at least a decade to get us back to where we are now - even if it is doable. Try telling that to all the businesses and industries who have to do that (for example the creative and fashion industries which have been trashed) - they should just all get on with rebuilding creative tours to Japan to replace the ones they can no longer do to europe). Or to use your analogy of a start up - the Uk has decided it is bored with being a successful first world economy - we are going to start again as a third world country and do things afresh - all new and different (spoiler alert - most people in these countries have much worst standards of living than people in the UK...

Of course we could be worse off long term. People who start their own businesses are gambling on independence versus safety which is why it's a useful analogy. Some do badly and some do well

Its a rubbish one, because we are gambling with, not only 66m lives, we are putting at risk all the lives of our children etc... brexit isn't a investment where you can go back to your original position or find a new option, its irreversible.

A one off, high risk roll of the dice.

And by the way to continue the analogy the pension you are leaving with have just taken from the younger generation in the Uk so you can do this risk free ... they don’t get their pension if your new business doesn’t work!

@Dg390
"think that is the fault of the wicked EU too who just won’t do the decent thing and give us all the benefits of the club we left while we break all the rules"
That ^ is infantile and I think you know that.

For Info,

news.sky.com/story/brexit-which-countries-has-the-uk-agreed-trade-deals-with-12135569

[quote AnitaB888]@jasjas1973

"However, i wonder how you and the rest of the UK would have reacted if OxZ vaccines were being sent to the EU, from the UK, whilst we all went without?
I can imagine your howls of protest and calls to block their export."

The EU took it upon itself to try to block a legally binding agreement that the UK had for vaccine delivery that was agreed upon some 3 months prior.
Just more bully-boy tactics from the EU who are as mad as your ar$e that we aren't being a cash-cow for the block any more.[/quote]
The didn't, any threat very quickly rescinded and yes, it was extremely stupid of them, you are talking as if it were still in place.

Even Gove accepted their "mistake" and moved on, how about you?

Most of these will ensure the UK continues the trading arrangements it enjoyed with those countries as an EU member state

So where we were pre Brexit? no advantage.

The value of trade with the EU is incorrect as the FTA deal with have with them is worse than what we had, far worse, plus worse for our citizens too.

[quote AnitaB888]For Info,

news.sky.com/story/brexit-which-countries-has-the-uk-agreed-trade-deals-with-12135569[/quote]
For info, the UK has rolled over the existing EU deals with the exception of the Japan deal, which may or may not match the financial benefits the UK claimed when the EU deal was signed.

Also for info, the rolled over deals do not replicate the EU deals, as there are variations such as rules of origin, MRAs, regulations etc.