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Is this just a Mickey Mouse degree? (OU course)

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DESGUSTANG · 16/02/2021 21:17

Name changed. God only knows why, though.

Considering doing an Arts & Humanities degree - Philosophy and English Lit specifically with the OU.

Can't get out of my head that it's a Mickey Mouse degree (thanks, middle class education system!) but I'm really interested in the subject matter. Anyone have any experience in the OU, Philosophy degrees or general life advice?

(FWIW, I'm in Scotland so I think tuition would be free with SAAS, if I'm not mistaken).

OP posts:
Penistoe · 17/02/2021 11:51

I hate the way people throw the term ‘Micky Mouse’ degrees around. Every degree has value if used correctly. Sure you can ‘coast’ easier on some degrees than others but I know people who did ‘media degrees’ and now working successfully in that industry. In fact quite a few, ranging from freelance designers to one currently working as the AD on a big budget movie.

ktp100 · 17/02/2021 11:52

Sounds really interesting but I'd think about where you want it to take you. If you're aiming to become an art teacher, great. If you're just doing it for fun, wonderful. If you want to get onto a general post-grad entry level course that doesn't care what degree you've done, fabulous!

You need to be interested in your degree topic and dual subjects is great for that, surely?

Law is massively oversubscribed and medicine is for the few, not the many. Lots of non-Mickey Mouse degrees out there.

Do what you want to, OP. It'll be you putting all the effort in, why do the opinions of other people matter?

I mean, it's hardly Madonna Studies, is it!

KeflavikAirport · 17/02/2021 11:57

I would dip your toe in with a Coursera MOOC before committing to a degree TBH.

FolkyFoxFace · 17/02/2021 11:57

In terms of career, it certainly can lead to good opportunities, too.

Students I've taught have gone on to train as teachers, work for charities, museums, galleries, take post-grad courses, and a lot more. The thing with Literature (and Philosophy) is that they cover such a vast array of topics. Art, social history, politics, music, etc. In normal times, one of the first things I do with my students is take them to an art gallery!

BoomBoomsCousin · 17/02/2021 15:27

@lottiegarbanzo

How long ago was that *@BoomBoomsCousin* ?

I know they revise their course content every few years.

It was 4 years ago. I just checked on the introductory course, A222, and the blurb is the same as when I did it.
TheMarzipanDildo · 17/02/2021 15:32

They are about as far from Mickey Mouse as you can get in terms of being long established, heavy subjects.

But... if you are doing it as a hobby, why does it matter anyway?

BoomBoomsCousin · 17/02/2021 19:23

OP, on the day-to-day aspect, you have a lot of freedom to work that out for yourself. You need a fair amount of self-discipline to succeed at an OU degree, that's probably one of the big reasons why employers who hire OU graduates tend to be very happy with them.

They do have a huge problem with drop out rates. They do offer help with developing foundational skills if you need to, but that will require additional time commitment at the beginning fo the course. The lack of entry requirements does seem to mean that they get a lot of people who struggle with working at degree level and the (and I suspect this is by far the bigger factor) the self-discipline required means that a lot of people just can't keep motivated for a full course. I'm not sure how funding works for you. I was paying for myself so I started with just one module in case I found I just didn't get on with it. If you are liable to loose money or access to funding in the future, it might be worth trying that too but it does mean it takes longer to get through the course.

I did philosophy and other arts and humanities courses but not any english lit, so it's possible that's different but I suspect not, I received the course content and a schedule for coursework submission and tutorials. I also got a weekly "suggested" schedule for the work to cover. It's clear what course content you need to get through in order to be able to do complete the coursework. I recommend the steadier approach, though. When I did the full 120 credits/year I had something to submit pretty much every two weeks.

You can ignore the weekly schedule and just cram everything last minute so you can submit (and get extensions on essays too) if that's what fits your life better. For most people it's a really good idea to try put time aside on a regular basis so that you can stick to the suggested weekly schedule. I found tutorials were much more productive if you had done all the reading before hand (though many people did not). I probably spent an average of about 12ish hours a week on the course content when I had a full load and several more hours reading around, chatting with others on the course, attending tutorials, etc. I think that was fairly light but I was a pretty mature student and I think that tends to give you an edge in time management and focus.

You read the content (I think it's all provided online by default now, which is convenient but some people much prefer to pay to get a printed version). You look at the coursework, you make notes, develop your essay (remembering to focus on what the question is actually asking, not what you really want to tell them), edit it and submit with days to spare (or you stare at a blank page for days and then scribble down something just in time for the deadline - I did both!). They made, I thought, very poor use of technology. The content is all digital and you get access to an online academic library (which is awesome!) but if you've done any Coursera stuff you've probably had more sophisticated use of education technology. Maybe they've caught up in the last few years but I'm not hopeful, the university's focus was on how to stop people using technology in ways that undermined the way they'd been doing things for years, there was no interest in how it might improve people's learning - it was a few years ago, so that might have changed, students were pushing back quite hard.

The level 1 and 2 modules are normally designed to be self contained. You don't really get any marks for going outside the content you've been provided with. Level 3 is where it begins to feel a bit more grown up and doing your own reading is necessary to get higher marks but I recommend reading around your subject from the beginning (at least, that was the case with the social sciences).

They laid on a few in-person days at the beginning of the year on things like essay writing that are useful if you haven't done any academic essays since school (or, as in my case, had a science background!). And I found some really good facebook groups for each of my courses where you could discuss the subject matter.

There was also a push by the OU to do more collaborative work and most of my courses had tried to shoehorn some joint project into the coursework. These tended to be poorly developed and difficult as lots of students drop out or don't stick to the schedule so coordinating is a nightmare, but hopefully they've had a few more years to either make them better or drop them!

Tutorials and tutors were a bit hit and miss. I had four great tutors one poor one and one terrible one. The good ones are great if you're struggling.

Overall I found the degree and the experience really, really good. I'm proud of myself for completing it and I learnt a lot, not just about the areas I'm interested in but also about how to approach those subjects and really get more from them. Philosophy was the only disappointing subject. The curricula for the others were really well thought ought (much better than the Russell Group degree I'd did back in the 90s).

CoRhona · 17/02/2021 19:35

I'm currently doing a degree with the OU. Subject v interesting, tutor and support great, online works really well too.

I am so glad I am spending lockdown doing something worthwhile Smile

Brefugee · 17/02/2021 19:40

Look up how the quality assurance of degrees in the UK works. The OU is treated the same as the others.

lottiegarbanzo · 17/02/2021 20:45

I loved my OU experience. I'd done a degree at a RG university in the '90s too and, at the time of life I did it, the OU suited me perfectly.

As there are no entry criteria, they try to lead you in gently, with the introductory module. The levels 2 modules are a step up from that and there's another clear step up to L3. The drop-out rate was subtly apparent in tutorials. At L2 there were a lot of students for whom English was a second language. At L3 I just didn't see them. That's only my experience but I think it goes some way to explain how they keep their degree classifications rigorous and comparable to other good universities, while awarding plenty of high-scoring degrees. Some people will just choose to study a few modules, rather than a full degree, too.

I had limited time available and could not have got through it if I hadn't been self-disciplined about putting the hours in every week and keeping going. I still had the odd slip and extension due to pressure of external circumstances but, had I become complacent and deliberately allowed things to slip, I'd have lost control completely. I did find that just 'doing what I was told' worked. You can gain excellent marks by reading and doing what you're told to and no more, if you apply some thought.

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