UK economy down 9.9%, will this kill more people than Covid?

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www.bbc.com/news/business-56037123

The last Labour opposition kept highlighting "Austerity has killed X thousand people"

So with the economy taking such a hit will this economic contraction cause more people (in particular younger people) to die than actual Covid?

For example:
-someone not able to fulfill their potential due to the economy then committing suicide.
-young person not able to get a job then committing suicide.
-someone becoming homeless due the the effect the Covid response had on their mental health, homelessness shortens you life.
-tax revenues being down, therefore meaning the NHS cannot invest in services like advanced cancer detection. So people die of easy to treat cancers.
-people can't get a job, give up on living and eat/smoke/drink themselves to death.

Lockdowns and this way of living will cost lives, far more lives than Covid.

People are still shotting 100,000 deaths every where. Its 100,000 deaths with Covid not because of it. Covid goes down as a secondary cause on a positive test though it could not have contributed to the death at all.

@SausageCrush

My son (aged 20) took his own life last September. Jumped off Clifton Suspension bridge. He left a detailed note and obviously had undiagnosed depression which he kept to himself, but the virus situation/lockdown played a big part too and was the 'icing on the cake'. He could not imagine a positive future for himself. He is not listed as a COVID death, but it certainly didn't help!

So sorry about your son There will be thousands more of these out there but no one puts them down as a statistic. They are a lot of young people out there wanting to kill themselves at the moment.

@MercyBooth

Im so sorry *@SausageCrush*

@rawalpindithelabrador Coffey is riding to the rescue.

From Private Eye.

"Coffey is to tackle the looming unemployment crisis by reviving a privatised welfare to work scheme from 2011 that was marred by poor results corruption , exploitation of the unemployed and the collapse of leading providers. Under Coffeys £2.9 billion Restart scheme contractors will help unemployed people on UC into work using job coaches training and work placements on a paid by results basis"

I would also like to add that the Government are very happy to stress the seriousness of long Covid now to keep us all compliant but are they going to suddenly change their tune about how serious it is when long Covid sufferers start applying for PIP!!!

Workhouses, the Tory dream.

Yes, I remember some public health expert last year saying that poverty is the worst thing for health so poverty will kill more.

The lockdown indefinitely to protect the NHS fans also never explain who pays for the NHS when everyone has lost their jobs.

I can't believe there is still people who want to somehow lockdown just the cev and elderly like no one healthy dies, yes its a small percentage but thats with lockdown so how many would it be without and the virus mutates ,
Of course the economy will be hit , half of its shutdown , a better measure will be how quick it bounces back.

@Reallybadidea

It all depends on the government really. If they: control the virus properly so that we can reopen rather than stop/start cycles of lockdown; invest in mental health services; invest is education; don't have a re-run of austerity; stimulate the economy - then we should be able to minimise the effects. Vote wisely.

Can any party really deliver this? We already hit record high public debt. Does fiscal stimulus still work today? It isnt as simple as voting black and white.

People are still shotting 100,000 deaths every where. Its 100,000 deaths with Covid not because of it. Covid goes down as a secondary cause on a positive test though it could not have contributed to the death at all.

There are 3 ways of measuring Covid deaths: a positive test, a death certificate mentioning Covid, and the excess deaths. They are all in broad agreement. Initially the positive tests lagged behind the death certificates and excess deaths (suggesting that if anything we were underreporting Covid deaths), now there are slightly more positive results than excess deaths (probably because the lack of flu deaths this year has taken the non-Covid deaths below the 5 year average. If you want to keep thinking these excess deaths aren't Covid deaths then what do you think is causing them? It's not suicides, in fact there is a recognised 'honeymoon effect' where suicides actually decrease during the early months of a pandemic as people pull together. This happened in Japan (20% drop in suicide in the early months of the pandemic) whereas other developed countries saw no increase in suicides (UK, USA Germany) in the same time period.

I don't understand why the NHS has had to cancel so many operations and other healthcare treatments and why GPs are hiding away here. I have friends in both Holland and Switzerland, and their health services have been operating throughout. One Dutch friend had a mole removed from her face a couple of months ago (an entirely cosmetic procedure), another had a non-urgent operation on her hand. A third had her usual post-cancer checks. My Dutch GP, with whom I am still registered, invited me for a flu vaccination in October, (I'm asthmatic) while my British GP couldn't even offer one and I ended up paying for it myself in Boots.

@GreenlandTheMovie

I don't understand why the NHS has had to cancel so many operations and other healthcare treatments and why GPs are hiding away here. I have friends in both Holland and Switzerland, and their health services have been operating throughout. One Dutch friend had a mole removed from her face a couple of months ago (an entirely cosmetic procedure), another had a non-urgent operation on her hand. A third had her usual post-cancer checks. My Dutch GP, with whom I am still registered, invited me for a flu vaccination in October, (I'm asthmatic) while my British GP couldn't even offer one and I ended up paying for it myself in Boots.

It's two years since I've had my last annual diabetic eye test and 18 months since my last 6 monthly diabetic foot test. Apparently, all that kind of thing has been stopped. So, checks that were essential just a year ago (and which I was constantly harrassed to have done), aren't important anymore?