Gender Pay Gap

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Why aren’t women more concerned that the gender pay gap may not be published again this year.
Not supporting one another over this means Mums are putting themselves & their children at an automatic disadvantage. Any thoughts??

What is your source and how else can we help you with your article?

"why aren't women..."?
Aren't women concerned? What evidence do you have to support that?Every woman i know cares about this.

There was an item on BBC news today quoting Mumsnet users re effect of Covid on women. Covid used as an excuse not to publi#h the no doubt shocking gap between the two sexes.

Sadly because I think many women don't care, or men either. You only have to look at the pandemic and the pressure on women to leave the workforce, cut down their hours, wake up at stupid o'clock to home school the kids. I heard on here someone tell a woman to suck it up and 'put your mummy apron on' when it came to homeschooling. Most of this pressure isn't from employers, many of whom value and quite reasonably want their female employees to work and contribute at the moment - but from the hugely female dominated education sector and all the women - I very rarely hear men so vocal - that demand schools are closed with no support for working families limit places. Same for society. The only way we could have preserved female employment better is by seeing it as vitally important that women could continue working - instead our labour is seen as optional, not vital.

I've never been made to feel so bad for having a job as I have during this pandemic. Teachers never call my husband to check in on homeschooling despite not having his number. Our inability to homeschool is seen as my failure, my laziness, my lack of care for my family or their education. Never mind that it's a critical job. The whole thing is terrible for women - I worry greatly about women that will be trying to get back into work. It's going to be very challenging, so taking lower paid jobs is almost inevitable.

Does it really matter that the statistics don't have to be published this year? I believe most people don't know what to make of them anyway.

Take this real example (and try and guess the type of company):

In this organisation, women earn £1.02 for every £1 that men earn when comparing median hourly wages. Their median hourly wage is 2.5% higher than men’s. When comparing mean hourly wages, women’s mean hourly wage is 78.9% lower than men’s. In this organisation, women earn £2.70 for every £1 that men earn when comparing median bonus pay. Their median bonus pay is 170% higher than men’s. When comparing mean bonus pay, women’s mean bonus pay is 91.2% lower than men’s. 58% of women and 62% of men received bonus pay.

I also believe that in this company, several men usually earn as much in a week as the women in the same positions earn in a whole year.

Official data in italics from gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/Employer/4rJiqwu7/2019

@jcyclops still interesting though and most useful to cross reference by their own report on the website which is usually published for details. So I agree looking at them face value doesn't always tell you a lot but it's given people information about a serious issue and quite right that companies declare it.

Should be called sex pay gap. Presumably a trans woman wouldn't have to take a pay cut after transitioning.

I’m livid about it. I left my job partly
Because my huge,
global company paid lip service to doing something about it but the bosses ( men mostly) actually did sweet FA while having lots of committees about it and telling the female
Staff they needed to
Take ownership of their careers etc. Etc.
Positive discrimination or giving women a pay bump to catch them up was of course impossible to do...

@pumpkinbump

Should be called sex pay gap. Presumably a trans woman wouldn't have to take a pay cut after transitioning.

Perhaps let’s focus?

Being obsessed by trans stuff is really quite counter productive.

My companies response to revealing our GPG: well, it’s average for the sector. Well! That’s fine then!

I was pointing out that 'gender' is the wrong word. No obsession here. It's hard not to take a keen interest with everything that is going on.

Yes pumpkinbump language matters so that we know who we are talking about

I agree @pumpkinbump the use of ‘gender’ could potentially hide the truth of the matter. Biological men on higher salaries (because no needing maternity leave etc etc) and ‘identifying as female’ = skewed averages for female = ‘oh look women, your gap isn’t as bad as you’ve been saying!’

It’s not an ‘obsession’ to be concerned about this @Doomsdayiscoming

I'm a little sensitive today with the Maternity Bill being rushed through in 2 days! In which members of Parliament who are pregnant, women, are to be called 'pregnant people'. Absolutely not! Anyway, as you were. Sorry for derailing somewhat with this particular post.

I do not doubt the issue of the erosion of women’s rights through trans inclusion.

I just think using all of your energy to focus on that detracts from the overall problems faced. In this case, by men who are completely unwilling to reduce the inequality in the workplace. Bashing on trans ain’t going to change the GPG.

I'm sure trans people face all sorts of difficulties, pay is probably one of them. Same as the race pay gap, different forms of discrimination exist and we're all stronger for standing up against it, not joining in.

They're mostly meaningless anyways, they don't take into account nearly enough of the information needed to explain if there is a gap or the justification on why there is a gap.

@Doomsdayiscoming

I do not doubt the issue of the erosion of women’s rights through trans inclusion.

I just think using all of your energy to focus on that detracts from the overall problems faced. In this case, by men who are completely unwilling to reduce the inequality in the workplace. Bashing on trans ain’t going to change the GPG.

I am not bashing trans people, nor am I using all my energy to focus on trans issues. Even if I chose to, that's my prerogative. It doesn't detract, it adds to the problem in a large way, especially when women aren't getting specifically female positions. So that's losing out on a particular job or promotion for some women, if that doesn't affect the pay gap I don't know what does.

No one on this thread is ‘bashing on trans’. Ensuring that data around salaries is recorded accurately under ‘sex’ not ‘gender’ is beneficial in clarity where the ‘gender pay gap’ is concerned. The gender pay gap is the entire point of the thread so it’s relevant.

Stop talking about discussion around women’s rights as being ‘anti trans’. This isn’t ‘inclusive’ or ‘kind’ - to women.
Hiding the truth about salaries - who does this benefit? Trans people? Women? Men?

Think I agree @Doomsdayiscoming.

I asked my DH about his company’s GPG... he was keen to tell me that women and men are in similar positions and he lays them the same in his part of the organisation. He was right. Up until you get to board level. Just one woman on the board and no evidence of publishing the GPG info... I’m not sure which size of company is required to do so??

Also shocked to see that female dentists earn 42% less than male dentists in the UK. Really shocking & I felt sorry for women Dentists with such a huge pay disparity.