To ask how much realistically does it cost to train as an adult as an adult as a teacher?

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Hi all my partner wants to do his pgse this Sept. He thinks doing it part time and working part time is feasible, is that right? He could earn 800 pounds a month part time (I've got that mortgage covered, he pays bills and food)
I'm thinking he is going to be on a very low wage for the 2 years of training then 2 years of nqt is that about right...
I don't think he has enough experience for teach first as he's making the move from a different career and has done about 4 weeks of voluntary work in schools.
Would really welcome any advice to help us plan the finances.
Thanks!

Omg thread title fail 🤦 to be clear I mean a 31 year old man doing a part time pgce

Pgce is A LOT of hours outside of the placements in school and uni lectures. Hours of evening/ weekend work. I am not sure how he would do this when working part time as well.

He would be doing the course part time so we thought it would even up?

He's now saying maybe doing the whole thing in a year and getting it out the way and getting a bursary to live on, but I'm not sure how that would work?

Sorry also trying to Google but it's not clear!

Agree with above- pgce is huge amounts of work, although I did it full time, so don't know what the part time option would look like. Why two years nqt?

Do a gtp funded placement

What subject is he wanting to train in?

My friends dh did a secondary school Chemistry PGCE and was paid for doing it. Then he waltzed into a job and Meg

Posted too soon.....and negotiated a higher salary as he was in an in demand subject.

Primary pgce

https://getintoteaching.education.gov.uk/funding-my-teacher-training/bursaries-and-scholarships-for-teacher-training

His degree subject is not taught in secondary schools 🤷‍♂️

I would choose the year course without working part time. I don't know much about the 2 year one but I can imagine it is still very intense and working part time plus dragging it over a longer period sounds like an exhausting idea!

Unlikely to get a bursary for primary as it is still over subscribed atm.

What subject will he be training to teach in? Some of the secondary subjects attract a bursary.
This website getintoteaching.education.gov.uk/ will give you all of the information.
In terms of NQT salary, most NQTs start in M1 of the main scale teaching pay spine. A quick google will tell you what that is. If he is working part time then both the salary and the NQT year will be pro-rata.

I would caution against working whilst also doing the PGCE, it rarely works out well.

Also as this is his career change he should be the one investigating the different options and presenting them to you, why are you figuring this out for him? If he was committed to teaching then he should be well aware of things like salary and work expectations. It sounds as though you are doing the research for him!

If he wants to teach secondary he should apply anyway as the providers often accept unusual degrees if students do a subjectKnowledge course over the summer. I mentored a student last year in PGCE English, whose 1st degree was Japanese!

Is there a part time PGCE option? It’s really not very common! He might find it difficult to then get a part time job as an NQT too.

Teacher training is very full-on, he might be better off financially doing the training full time then going straight into full time teaching.

Has he considered training through organisations such as Teach First www.teachfirst.org.uk/training-programme ?

It's school based over 2 years and you get paid as TA for year one and more for year 2. You get a PGDE rather than the PGCE which is better

What is his degree subject? Could he do a subject knowledge enhancement course and get himself onto a shortage subject PGCE with bursary?

Sorry forgot to say Teach First pay all the university fees - which is worth a lot

Great advice here - thank you - he did film but says he wants to do primary, not seconday

Look into schools direct - it’s salaried and the government pay for your training and part of your wages. It’s on the job training - working in school with a mentor and occasional days with a training provider.

It's relatively new that you can do PGCE part-time; I don't know how well it works. PGCE is a lot of work, so even part-time he would need to be careful about how much other work he was doing. It can be tempting to think you can manage 60% PGCE and 60% working, but that would be unwise.
He might be better to work & save for a year then do it full-time, especially if that gives him a better choice of providers.

Teach First doesn't require significant school experience, as it takes a lot of new graduates. You might be thinking of Schools Direct (salaried), which is aimed at people with a fair amount of school experience.

You can check out all the options and the funding/costs at getintoteaching.education.gov.uk/, although it doesn't seem very easy to navigate.

It's a couple of years since I worked in this area, so things have probably completely changed by now , but other routes into teaching are as well respected as a pgce. Schools direct - through a teaching school - can be salaried. And you don't have to have a degree in the subject, for example maths pgce required a 2/3 maths based degree.

Teaching is intense. Learning to teach is intense. I wouldn't recommend PT work and study for its

I just wanted to say that Primary schools are crying out for more men- he will very easily get a job OP, and he will very easily get into whichever training route he decides to do so whichever way you plan it will be worth doing.