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NO to a state funeral for Captain Sir Tom Moore AIBU?

422 replies

Muncher75 · 03/02/2021 18:37

Just that really. I’ve just been sent an email from change.org asking me to sign a petition to push for a state funeral for him.
Now don’t get me wrong he was a remarkable man and an inspiration... but a state funeral? That will cost us, the taxpayer money we definitely cannot afford in the currant climate. Also I’m sure he’d rather the money go where it’s needed.

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Krook · 05/02/2021 09:36

The Peaky Blinders grandsons will be on Love Island before long.

Urgh. I'm a cynical person.

AllMyPrettyOnes · 05/02/2021 10:27

@Krook

The Peaky Blinders grandsons will be on Love Island before long.

Urgh. I'm a cynical person.

Grin
CrotchBurn · 05/02/2021 10:34

If Bowie didn't get a state funeral and I don't see why major tom should

JackieWeaversAuthority · 05/02/2021 10:37

@Krook

The Peaky Blinders grandsons will be on Love Island before long.

Urgh. I'm a cynical person.

Before or after the daughter joins the panel of Loose Women?
Snufkins · 05/02/2021 10:46

Ugh what next? Sorry the man died but he just traipsed round a garden, not much different to the hundreds of others who raise money. No doubt his fame hungry daughter would say no to a state funeral or a statue.

VinylDetective · 05/02/2021 14:59

@Snufkins

Ugh what next? Sorry the man died but he just traipsed round a garden, not much different to the hundreds of others who raise money. No doubt his fame hungry daughter would say no to a state funeral or a statue.
£33 million different to hundreds of others. His “fame hungry daughter” looked after him for 12 years and, apart from raising all that money, facilitated him having the most amazing last year imaginable. She’s already sad the family wants a quiet funeral. Can we stop with the knocking, please?
Mittens030869 · 05/02/2021 15:44

@VinylDetective

I agree. I've been saddened by the nasty comments on here about Captain Tom and his 'fame-hungry daughter'. Just because of some stupid change.com petition calling for a state funeral, which is never going to happen. Anyone would think that she was the one who asked for it. She didn't. The family want a quiet funeral and that's what they'll have.

I've actually heard very little on the BBC News about Captain Tom and there's been no mention of the funeral arrangements at all.

Pimlicojo · 05/02/2021 17:29

Vinyl detective I agree too. The comment about the grandsons is particularly nasty. These are young men who have just lost their grandad. I heard grandson Tom on the radio and he was charming, polite and from the way he spoke about his Aunt Hannah they are clearly a close and loving family. I don't see them clamouring for anything.

Mittens030869 · 05/02/2021 17:34

One thing that must make their Grandad's death even more upsetting is that he only just missed out on the vaccine. Yes, he was 100 years old, but that doesn't diminish the loss.

I think some posters on here really have gone too far.

Hearwego · 05/02/2021 19:58

I have lots of respect for Captain Tom. He was a great man and he’s from a nice family. I don’t think anyone ever thought that he would get ‘famous’ for doing walks around a garden. But wasn’t his daughter work in PR or something similar?
What is sad is that there were many other world war veterans who died lonely in care homes or lived in tower blocks, forgotten about.
Capt Tom was very fortunate to have a well to do middle class family who made his final years comfortable for him.
If his final year meant that NHS charities will benefit even in a very small way ,then that can only be a positive thing surely?

Hearwego · 05/02/2021 20:01

I do believe there was something special about the WW2 generation though.
A selfless sense of duty, to do a job and get on with it not knowing when or if they’ll come home. Tom Moore was one of those from that generation.
God bless the dear boy.

Daphnise · 05/02/2021 20:07

I think Thatcher's funeral did cost the public a few million, though maybe not a "State Funeral".

And as for Captain Tom, the idea is just silly.

Hearwego · 05/02/2021 20:13

Yes state funeral ridiculous and not something he’d want. A statue or building named after him is more realistic.

lyralalala · 05/02/2021 20:18

@Daphnise

I think Thatcher's funeral did cost the public a few million, though maybe not a "State Funeral".

And as for Captain Tom, the idea is just silly.

The only thing that saved money was declining the military flyover. The other main differences between the two, like horses instead of sailors pulling the carriage, don't really cost much.

Plus the big cost is security. She had a ceremonial funeral at St Paul's attended by the Queen. If she really wanted to save the country money she'd have requested a private funeral and then security would have been minimal.

Hearwego · 05/02/2021 21:27

On the other side of the coin,we don’t know much about Capt Tom do we? All we know is he served in Burma in WW2, then came into the limelight last year.
He had children quite late on in life, a second marriage I believe.
Other than that we hardly know much more do we?

Cornishclio · 05/02/2021 21:32

YANBU. That is quite honestly a ridiculous idea and I think this is way overblown. He was a nice old man, he raised some money for the NHS when everyone used him as a channel for their "grief" over the situation. Now let his family grieve in peace. A state funeral in the middle of a national lockdown. What planet are these people living on?

Mittens030869 · 05/02/2021 21:46

Come on, @Cornishclio of course a state funeral isn't going to happen! It was just a stupid petition from change.com. There's been no suggestion at all that there's actually going to be one on the BBC News.

I can't believe the number of posters who have actually believed it's a possibility. Apart from anything else, the family have said it will be a private funeral.

Cornishclio · 05/02/2021 21:53

@Mittens030869 Well obviously not but I don't think our parliament should have to waste time even debating it. If enough daft people sign the petition then they may have to.

Mittens030869 · 05/02/2021 21:56

They won't have to it, as another poster pointed out earlier in the thread. It was only a change.com petition, which they don't have to take any notice of.

What would be the point anyway? If the family have said they want a private funeral, there isn't much point in Parliament debating it, is there?

1Morewineplease · 05/02/2021 22:02

No.
So many, many quiet people have raised untold amounts of money over decades.
Sir Tom would feel mortified, I'm sure, that he was being given such magnanimity over and above other charitable folk.
Maybe a stone in an appropriate place, but not a state funeral.

Toddlerteaplease · 05/02/2021 23:04

A memorial silhouette has been put up in a park not to far from me. Personally I think it's hideous. But the page had loads of gushing comments about how lovely it is. He had no connection with this area.

MercyBooth · 06/02/2021 17:52

www.independent.co.uk/voices/captain-tom-moore-clap-boris-johnson-nhs-b1797735.html

Boris Johnson could have honoured Captain Sir Tom Moore by funding hospitals – he decided to clap instead
Johnson insisted on clapping because he understands that Captain Tom's ambition was much higher levels of clapping for the NHS

Several politicians, newspapers and personalities have taken the totally reasonable stance that if you didn’t clap for Captain Sir Tom Moore, you’re a traitor who doesn’t deserve the vaccine, and instead you should be battered for several hours with the captain’s zimmer frame by Piers Morgan, live on ITV.

Because we learned many vital lessons due to Captain Tom, and the most important is that the correct and proper way to fund the National Health Service is not the outdated, cumbersome practice of taxation. It’s much fairer and more efficient to get 99-year-olds to run round the garden.

In years to come, there will be no more bureaucratic National Insurance, and accountants working out how much each of us has to pay. That will be replaced by lines of the elderly charging round Hackney Marshes, while personal trainers bark: “Don’t be a QUITTER Mavis, you CAN give me two more laps, CRAWL if you have to, we’re short of X-ray machines, so MOVE IT.”

It’s no wonder they insisted on vaccinating the over-80s first, they’re relying on them to fund the NHS for the next 10 years.

Eventually, everything will be funded like this. Rishi Sunak will say in his budget: “I am pleased to announce a boost for education. From the start of the next economic year, we will provide no fewer than 500 90-year-olds to hula-hoop all day in Wembley Stadium, to fund school books and fix the busted toilets. Furthermore, I can reveal we will provide the fire service with a 50 per cent increase of 94-year-olds, who will bungee jump for a hosepipe each. And I can announce they will be led by Sir David Attenborough, who will describe the starlings he passes on the way down.”

So it was Boris Johnson who led the clapping, praising the man who raised £30m towards the £30bn Boris Johnson’s party has left the NHS short of.

Some cabinet members have proposed a statue to Captain Tom, to celebrate the man who raised money for the thing they could have funded but decided not to

Everyone should behave like this from now on. In each family, someone should announce: “I’ve decided to never do any tidying up ever again. You have to do it all. But in return, when you die I’ll stand on the step and give you a clap.”

Then we should consider Chris Grayling, because he managed to waste about £30m of public money every day when he was in the cabinet. That means he saves us £30m every day he’s not in the cabinet, so he should have a statue in every village square.

The way that Johnson embraced clapping for Captain Tom is similar to the way he praises Marcus Rashford, when he says: “Isn’t this person wonderful, for pointing out what a useless heartless idiot I am? Thank the Lord this person selflessly dedicates himself to correcting some of the stuff I ruined.”

So now Johnson is insistent on clapping because he understands that Captain Tom’s ambition was much higher levels of clapping for the NHS.

The government could have honoured his name by funding hospitals, rather than sending out billions of pounds worth of contracts to their mates in companies such as Serco. But how would that have led to the claps the service so desperately needs? It’s no good nurses having adequate masks and gowns if no one’s banging a saucepan for them.

That’s why there are so many of these harrowing pieces of footage, in which exhausted nurses plead into the camera: “Please, please someone look at the conditions we’re in, and try to put this right by walloping a wooden spoon on a tin cup.”

So it’s understandable this government feels so emotional about Captain Tom, because they share his values, which is why they sent £12bn worth of contracts to companies such as Serco to create a track and trace system that didn’t work, rather than fund it through the NHS. Because Captain Tom didn’t mind the NHS, but the organisation he really loved was Serco.

The vaccination programme has been delivered through the NHS, and that seems to be working. So we should expect that before long, that will be put right, and it will be outsourced to a company that makes ladders registered in Monaco, owned by a Tory MP’s personal jousting coach

The problem is, as all sensible people agree, we can’t fund the National Health Service through taxation, as people aren’t prepared to hand over that amount of money. So instead we must have lower taxes, and fund the NHS by asking people to hand over that amount of money, because they’re inspired by a 99-year-old. The difference is, instead of the wealthiest handing it over, it’s the poor, which is fair enough as they have so much more to spare.

So we should applaud Captain Tom, and we can only wonder what he’d have done next if he’d had the chance. Because he would have had to top his efforts next year with something more spectacular, in the same way each Fast & Furious film has to be more extravagant.

He would have had to ski down his roof all day, using the frame to do a sharp turn before flying over the guttering, or do a rodeo for the NHS on the back of a bison

And if the government wants to carry on using his name the way they have until now, we can expect them to start with his funeral, asking the pallbearers to carry the coffin round and round the churchyard to raise enough money to buy some protective gowns and a ventilator.

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