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Upset my dad (complicated wedding situation)

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Upsetmydad · 31/01/2021 13:30

Hi, I’m hoping to get married in June (optimistic I know) as we want to be married before we buy a house and our rental contract will be up in September and nearly have a deposit together now. Because of this we are just having a v small registry office wedding and a meal after if restaurants are open; we may have a larger party on our anniversary next year perhaps if we can afford.

I largely don’t speak to my dad anymore for around 4-5 years, we send birthday and Xmas cards and perhaps called/I dropped by 1-2 a year just largely to keep the peace as he would otherwise he’d be very unpleasant by text if he hadn’t heard from me that year. He was a good dad when I was young, and I know he loves me very much. We have quite similar academic interests and he always used to try and find places to visit and tv shows/movies and books on those interests that we could enjoy together which I do think of as my best memories with him. The issue is that throughout my life he had a series of addictions; before I was born he was a drinker but stopped but would go between smoking a lot, spending money on reckless purchases and binge eating (in fact made himself quite ill in hospital multiple times) and porn addictions. Obviously most of this I was less aware of as a child but as a teenager this seemed to worsen and obviously I could see what was happening more, it was always my mum who made sure we had enough to live on and she took second and third jobs to pay for this while he rarely worked which she resented as she couldn’t get him to accept help for any length of time. Their relationship was terrible especially in the end; which I do understand was both of their faults for arguing back with each other and both parties stopped nurturing the relationship and they were both really unhappy. My parents divorced when I was 17 due to my dad cheating on top of all the other issues. Things were said and done at the time by my dad which I felt were unfair including hiding funds and income so that my mother was ordered to give him more equity and running up debts in her name that she was unaware of. This changed my opinion of my dad and he has become a very bitter old man and quite a heavy drinker again.

I accidentally discovered a couple of months ago that he isn’t my bio dad when helping Mam out with an unrelated issue regarding a complaint about medical care; she had asked for medical records relating to some hospital trips and an operation to help the complaint and understand entirely what went wrong and the hospital just sent over her entire medical records which was overwhelming and not easy to understand ie. pages of all blood tests and pages of all drs appts etc and nothing was in date order so I was helping to sort through. My parents had conceived me with donor sperm privately so she thought this wouldn’t be on nhs records but there was a letter about it that she had handed to her gp (as you often get after hospital/private care so they know the situation) that she had forgotten about and I believe it was a genuine error that I found out.

Obviously this was a lot to take in as I’d never had any suspicion they’d even had fertility issues and they had told absolutely nobody at all on my dad’s insistence. I’m not upset they kept it from me and can understand why but obviously was a shock and have been thinking a lot about my dad and my childhood ever since; it’s probably made me think of him more fondly as he obviously knew he wasn’t raising a biological child and I can imagine that being quite hard for him and maybe worsened some of his behaviour.

The issue being that I wasn’t planning to invite him to my wedding at all as we just don’t have a good relationship and I know that he really doesn’t get on with anyone on either side of my family so I didn’t want drama. With it being now a v small wedding my partner is having his parents attend only and I was wanting my mum and maternal grandparents (both had the vaccine last week which is really great!) and had wanted my grandfather to walk me into the room. To be absolutely clear there will be no aisle or music or dramatic moment of giving away it’s just I need to get into the room somehow and I thought it would be nice as he is my mums stepdad and didn’t bring her up and had no children himself but has been around for me my whole life and I’m very close with my grandparents. My dad has walked a goddaughter and his sister down the aisle at big showy weddings and was not bothered; if anything he was reluctant so I didn’t think he’d be that upset about it especially as we aren’t close. But as I’d been thinking about him recently and felt much more grateful for the lovely things he did when I was little and people kept encouraging me to invite him I asked my dad if he would also attend but advised that I had already asked my grandad to walk me in but it would be very low key. I thought this would be ok and made sure to emphasise how lovely it would be for him to be there and that it is nice that he is recorded on my marriage cert and suggested we could go for coffee and cake the next week just me and dad to celebrate as well as everyone being at the meal in case it was awkward as he doesn’t speak with my mam. He became very angry and was shouting into the phone at me and then was sobbing and I was very confused and upset myself as obviously it wasn’t nice that I was being shouted at and had caused my dad to be sobbing and kept trying to reinforce that it wasn’t going to be a proper giving away and that I had not intended for him to be upset as he’d always expressed it being a bit pointless and hadn’t been fussed about the previous ones he’d done so I hadn’t thought he considered it a big deal. I could kinda tell he was trying to get me to say that he could just do it instead but I didn’t wanna change my decision while I was really upset and confused so was very non commital when he asked if I was still doing it that way even though he was upset by it. He said he would call me back next week when he’d decided whether or not to come and hung up.

He doesn’t yet know that I know about the donor conception and I had been hoping that I could have this conversation with him in the months after my wedding once I understood my feelings about it better as I feel it’s important to let him know that I still consider him my dad as he is the one who brought me up and that I’m grateful that he brought me up and agreed to have a baby that way and everything. I am still unpacking some of my own feelings around the donor I think which also complicates the issue.

I just feel that I’ve majorly fucked up everything and am not sure what to do, I’m very anxious about his call next week and wish I had not mentioned the wedding to him as he will now be either bitter about it and not come or he will come but I will be on edge about him making a scene or unpleasant comments or turning up drunk (which I did gently say would make me v uncomfortable at the beginning of the call which he took really well and was understanding about) but now he is angry he could easily ignore and turn up drunk. I just feel however it turns out that there is a shadow over the wedding and it’s all my fault. My partner is fuming because obviously I was a state when trying to explain what had happened on the call but has now calmed down and is happy to support me however I want and would be v civil to him if I still want him there. My mum was also supportive when I told her as she asked how it had gone (I’d told her I was inviting him so she wasn’t blindsided) and I got upset and had to tell her but she also was very much of the opinion that I should have expected an unreasonable reaction.

Thank you for reading if your still here, sorry it’s so long it’s just I find it hard to explain everything. What should I do? I can’t really uninvite him as that’s very rude but now I feel that I should have not let myself be persuaded by other people and my memories of happier times but it’s too late to undo it all

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DeciduousPerennial · 31/01/2021 14:14

Why is your wedding suddenly all about him and what he thinks, feels, and wants?

Upsetmydad · 31/01/2021 14:17

I haven’t told him the place or time but did tell him the date, I think he’d assume it’s the registry office close by but is actually in the next district over as this is logistically easier for my partner’s parents and he wouldn’t know this. It doesn’t matter to me about not being my bio dad with regard to inviting him as I was already not really wanting him there before I even knew that I’m just worried if he knew that I knew that he would think it’s because he’s not my ‘real’ dad when that’s not the case. I’m not sure if I’ll look for the donor yet but even if I find him he wouldn’t be my dad, I’m grown now and I’ve only ever had one dad and he’ll always be important to me in that regard and I do love him in my own way. I think it’s just that this has confused me and I do feel that I now owe him more as he didn’t have to raise me but I suppose why does he need any more allowances than when I presumed him a traditional dad? I think I need to try and separate my feelings about the donor situation from how I would have acted had I not known

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Upsetmydad · 31/01/2021 14:19

He is my real dad in all the ways that matter

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Hoppinggreen · 31/01/2021 14:20

He sounds horrible
You being conceived from donor sperm is irrelevant and you need to stop taking any blame for his behaviour.

PurpleMustang · 31/01/2021 14:21

OP, he is emotionally blackmailing you to get what HE wants. You barely see him for months on end and he is throwing his toys out of the pram. You said that at the end of their relationship they were both to blame, arguing etc, can I just defend your Mum here. She put up with all he did and I highly suspect the arguing etc was because she had just had enough and would not put up with his shit no more. She worked endless jobs to make sure you was ok and he just suited himself. Yes it is nice that he put effort into things you both enjoyed but he also caused your Mum a lot of stress and heartache. As others said give him expectations for the day it is then his choice to attend. Asked the registry office if they are able to turn someone away if he turns up uninvited or drunk. And go with your Grandad. It would be a lovely thing to do and it is usually just a case of door opens and 5 steps in. Ask if you can have music. My friend had a special song playing but they had to 'play' the music off something themselves. And realistically they should of been thinking of telling you due to family medical history if you are planning children. There is no point telling doctors your Dad's family history if it isn't relevant

Upsetmydad · 31/01/2021 14:21

And no he probably wouldn’t have known I was married until we next spoke, he didn’t find out I was engaged for several months and didn’t appear to be upset by that, obviously I’d just been telling people as I spoke to them and obviously the people close to me knew quickly as we spoke often

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RaidersoftheLostAardvark · 31/01/2021 14:27

You haven't been unreasonable at all! He is behaving very badly and making it all about him. I would say to him look, this is my wedding. It is about myself & my husband to be. I'd like you to be there but only if you are prepared to be civil to everyone else. You are not welcome if you are drunk or agitated. Please let me know by X.
Does he know the time and place? If he does and you think he will turn up drunk I would ask/bribe a good (burly) friend to stand outside as a bouncer for you...

Upsetmydad · 31/01/2021 14:29

@PurpleMustang I don’t blame my mum, I can understand her motivations and she was very fed up I don’t think I explained it very well but I just meant it got really bad between them irregardless of fault, tbh I’m not half as strong a person as my mum and it would have broken my spirit but she was able to seek counselling and now views it as a horrible thing that made her into the stronger person she is today, she’s my hero really and an excellent mother. They probably wouldn’t have needed to share for medical reasons as we will probably not have children or will look to adopt older children and all of the major conditions I’ve been giving as my medical history were largely present on both sides eg diabetes and heart problems so I’ve not been using false info as such

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CorianderBee · 31/01/2021 14:30

Of course he raised you, he agreed to donor sperm and has parental responsibility as your parent. It's not the same as raising another mans child as in if your mum had a relationship with someone else. You're his child that he chose to create using a donor.

I think finding this out has affected you more than you think and you should see a counsellor.

ghostyslovesheets · 31/01/2021 14:32

He is an adult - stop trying to make everything alright for him - he's fucked up - he's fucked up your life and his - stop trying to make amends for HIS behaviour

If he wants to sulk and be a drama queen just ignore him - I'd disinvite him to be blunt.

Congrats on your wedding - focus on the lovely people in your life and leave him to sulk

CorianderBee · 31/01/2021 14:32

Also he doesn't know you know about the donor. So he's not associating your actions with not being his bio daughter.

AlternativePerspective · 31/01/2021 14:38

If you weren’t planning on inviting him anyway then I wouldn’t invite him. But I think that you finding out you are donor conceived has had more of an impact on you than you like to admit.

TBH if I found out that I was donor conceived I would be angry and upset with both parents for never having told me. Is your sister donor conceived as well? Does your mum Know that you know?

I would find it hard to forgive that on both sides. There are reasons why the children of donors can now trace their biological links when they’re 18, precisely because of the impact it has not knowing their full identity.

If your dad is an alcoholic then he has only himself to blame for that. But the fact that neither of your parents ever told you that you were from a donor makes them both at fault there, and tbh I don’t think that’s something I could ever forgive, probably more from my mum than from my dad TBH as she was the biological parent who then chose to keep this a secret.

Changechangychange · 31/01/2021 14:39

I do feel that I now owe him more as he didn’t have to raise me

It’s not like you were the product of an affair, or his stepchild. He and your mum chose to use donor sperm together. At the time he made that decision, he was committing to be your father just as much as if you had been biologically his. Probably more so, because it required a conscious effort to have you. Do not let him off the hook for his shitty parenting because you don’t think he owed you any better.

(Incidentally, if he HAD been your step-dad, his financial abuse and addictions would still have made him a shit step-dad)

RenMcCormackisafox · 31/01/2021 14:42

@Upsetmydad
Bottom line: it is YOUR day and you deserve to have it EXACTLY how you wish. Don’t think about anyone else or what they want, you sound like someone who does this constantly. This is the one day where you can have it exactly how you want.
You earned it, you deserve it.
If you don’t want your dad there then don’t have him there - if someone loves you (I’m speaking from experience here as my wedding in May will only have 5 people in attendance) they will accept your decision as hard as it is for them because they want you to be happy and have a nice day. It’s okay to put yourself first for once.

bakereld · 31/01/2021 14:50

You're not responsible for his happiness. He sounds like a complete dickhead, and a sorry excuse for a 'dad' and a 'husband'. He's fucked up his own life with his own shitty decisions, don't let him guilt trip you and ruin your special day.

this is about YOU and what YOU feel happy and comfortable with

WeeDangerousSpike · 31/01/2021 14:51

I'm a bit Confused about you keep referencing that you're grateful he 'agreed' to have a baby via donor sperm, and 'agreed' to raise you etc etc. I thinknyou might be getting a bit emotionally tangled (I don't know how else to describe it!) with all this going on at once, and conflating things that aren't actually connected. Perhaps your DM has specifically said this is how it was, idk, but surely it's just as likely it was his idea to use a donor and he was the driving force behind it? Perhaps he didn't want people to think/know he had fertility problems? Who knows? I don't think it's something to feel grateful about? It's not like you had any choice in the matter! I don't feel grateful that my D(bio)F 'agreed' to have kids with my DM - presumably it was something they decided as a couple that they both wanted, for their own reasons, just as your DPs did.

As for having him at the wedding - my DM didn't want her DF to be at her wedding, her DM (divorced) made a fuss and she felt she had to. She still regrets him being there 40yrs later. I'd say your first instinct is probably how you feel, and that your feelings of obligation and people pleaser tendencies have made you doubt yourself now that other people have got involved with their opinions.

user13752257 · 31/01/2021 15:11

You make a lot of excuses for a nasty, abusive man who's clearly done a number on you emotionally from the way you blame yourself for other people's behaviour and are unable to value or assert your own needs. Being a "people pleaser" is damaging and undesirable.

Adopting a child - especially an older child - would mean a developmentally traumatised child, possibly with other major difficulties. With respect, you haven't addressed your own trauma and how it affects your life so I'm not sure you would be equipped to meet the significant needs of such a child. Or to protect them from toxic people or dysfunctional relationships when you're not able to protect yourself.

Maybe it was poor phrasing, but how much "trying" do you think it would have taken from your mum to stop your dad being an addict, hiding money and cheating on her? Do you genuinely believe that relationship was ever going to be salvageable through your mum's actions?

Your mum had therapy. I think you need it too.

Bananaramapyjamas · 31/01/2021 15:20

It sounds as though you spend a lot of time being ‘grateful’ to a man who has no consideration of your feelings. I think he’s been manipulative and has learnt exactly how to get you to feel somehow as if you owe him something. You don’t. He was a shit dad when you were a teenager and he’s being a shit dad now.

MaskingForIt · 31/01/2021 16:23

You say there will be no aisle, but have you spoken to the register office about how many people you can fit into the room if you’re just having it in their office? With 6 guests, the two of you and the officiant, I think you might need to hire the ceremony room and not just have it in the office.

Bbq1 · 31/01/2021 17:51

I feel sorry for you Op and think he's lucky to get an invite at all.
However, why are so many people on MN in general and on this thread so unfeeling and downright nasty about people struggling with genuine addictions? Mention anxiety and it's an instant "handhold" and understanding. Anxiety is a signifier of poor mental health, so is addiction. Not a choice.

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