NHS Pay rise???

hillarypcof · 2021-01-30T10:03:03+00:00

AIBU.... to believe the Union's will have enough clout to give the NHS a decent payrise?? UNISON are campaigning for at least a £2k rise for all NHS staff. Others are campaigning for high % increases. AiBU to think Rishi will be generous to our incredible NHS? Or will the Govt yet again try and get away with as little a rise as possible? I guess we'll have to wait for the Budget Statement in March to really know, but I wondered what everyone else is anticipating!

Poptart4 · 30/01/2021 10:11

Everyone who goes into nursing etc knows exactly how much the pay is. The constant moaning about it pisses me off. You knew what you were signing up for!

I dont see why they should be held up as saints for doing their jobs either.

Sorry I've had really bad experiences with nurses, both when I was giving birth and when my father was dying of cancer. I'll admit its coloured my views on nursing staff. They're not all the saints they're made out to be.

Spaceprincess · 30/01/2021 10:15

I work in the NHS, our union rep (specialist union not Unison) told us its going to be above 0% but to expect 0.1%.

TheKeatingFive · 30/01/2021 10:22

People aren’t engaging with just how fucked the country finances are going to be in the next few years. It’s scary stuff coming down the line.

If I was to give anyone a pay rise it would be nurses, but yeah, I wouldn’t be expecting much.

mekitgubakuds · 30/01/2021 10:22

YABU.

As per pp everyone who works in roles like nursing and and chooses to work in the public sector knows the pay and the pay scales when they enter (and I include myself as someone who falls into this field can I point out). Pay rises should be fair and in line with cost of living inflation and that is it. The problem is for years and years public sector pay rises have often been below inflation but that's a whole other conversation.

Mousehole10 · 30/01/2021 10:25

The country is in so much debt. I don’t think anyone can expect a pay rise in the near future. There are many people who deserve a pay rise, some more than others (front line NHS, teachers, police, care workers), but I don’t agree with adding to the already huge debt this year. If money is gong to be spent I’d rather it went to improving NHS capacity so we can cope better next winter.

lurker101 · 30/01/2021 10:26

I think given it’s a stable career with very low prospects of redundancies in the impending financial crisis it would be a massive faux pas for unions/ Govt to push for a large pay rise given that the vast majority of other workers will be in less secure jobs with lower likelihood of pay rises etc.

randomchap · 30/01/2021 11:01

It's not going to be April. Handcock has already written to the NHS pay review body to ask for a recommendation in early May.

nursingnotes.co.uk/news/pay-rise-for-nhs-workers-delayed-amid-economic-pressures-confirms-hancock/

imsoverytired83 · 30/01/2021 11:26

I think they will be very lucky- to get anything above inflation - the gov will be paying furlough off for years

m0therofdragons · 30/01/2021 11:28

Over the last 3 years we’ve actually had a significant pay rise. No one in my workplace (hospital) moans about pay and the general feeling is we’re all grateful to have jobs and grateful we get to come to work when others stay home.

It’s stressful and hard but we need emotional support rather than money thrown at us!

BonnieDundee · 30/01/2021 12:00

I'm NHS and it would be great but wheres the money coming from? We must be massively borrowed (much more than projected a year ago) as it is.

Besides there are many other groups of staff that have worked throughout also at great personal risk.

So YABU no matter how much I'd love it

Busygoingblah · 30/01/2021 12:04

@Poptart4

Everyone who goes into nursing etc knows exactly how much the pay is. The constant moaning about it pisses me off. You knew what you were signing up for!

I dont see why they should be held up as saints for doing their jobs either.

Sorry I've had really bad experiences with nurses, both when I was giving birth and when my father was dying of cancer. I'll admit its coloured my views on nursing staff. They're not all the saints they're made out to be.

In real terms pay has fallen over 10% since I decided to train in a heath care profession 10 years ago. So no, I did not ‘know exactly how much the pay is’ when I went into it. The issue with healthcare pay is its rising a whole lot slower than the cost of living, this means a lot less money in our pockets at the end of the month.

PinkiOcelot · 30/01/2021 12:05

I work in the NHS and I’m not expecting anything tbh.
Everyone will have tax increases I should imagine, to pay for everything that’s happened over this year. People sat on furlough etc.

3rdNamechange · 30/01/2021 12:12

Not expecting a rise. RCN are a toothless union. However I am expecting a tax rise to pay for Covid and possibly another rise in the pension age.
We did know what we were getting into however I don't think anyone expected this.
As another PP says in real terms we haven't had increases.
Pensions are good , but we pay a lot in.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 30/01/2021 12:32

The NHS will be given the lowest rise that the government can get away with. They have always been essential and they have always been shorted. I have no reason to think that public feeling about it will have any more effect this time than it had last time or the time before or the time before that.

Cynical? Moi?

Singinginshower · 30/01/2021 12:46

I think many NHS staff that have struggled through with exhaustion and additional demands this year will walk unless they feel their skills and experience are recognized. I know many experienced nursing staff who are talking about retiring unless things change.

BlueSussex · 30/01/2021 12:49

You knew what you were signing up for!

I suggest you read that back!!

UNISON members not only deserve a pay rise, having shouldered the brunt of the pandemic at work and at home, being the face of public services, they are also a very sensible group to give a pay rise to. This is because they are generally poorly paid and will spend their pay rise which is what the economy needs.

It's a Moral/Economic win-win

HighlightedTrees · 30/01/2021 12:51

This whole 'we are in debt, nobody should get a payrise' rhetoric shows a lack of basic knowledge about economics. You do not set up an economic recovery plan by using wage repression and inflation, it shrinks the economy.

www.bbc.com/reel/video/p08jbbry/why-we-need-to-debunk-the-deficit-myth-

Sciics · 30/01/2021 13:00

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/18/government-pay-rise-cost-nhs-england-staff-report

Not going to cost as much as you’d think.

MaskingForIt · 30/01/2021 13:01

@3rdNamechange

Not expecting a rise. RCN are a toothless union. However I am expecting a tax rise to pay for Covid and possibly another rise in the pension age. We did know what we were getting into however I don't think anyone expected this. As another PP says in real terms we haven't had increases. Pensions are good , but we pay a lot in.

The government have already announced a public sector pay freeze, which means that like last time, paying off the debt will fall to the public sector.

I would love to see an increase in income tax, then the debt will be paid off by everyone in employment, not just those in public sector employment. I don’t see it happening under a Conservation government though.

3rdNamechange · 30/01/2021 17:32

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

The NHS will be given the lowest rise that the government can get away with. They have always been essential and they have always been shorted. I have no reason to think that public feeling about it will have any more effect this time than it had last time or the time before or the time before that.

Cynical? Moi?

Honestly it was quite hard pre Covid but I know several nurses who are going at 55 instead of 60. Losing big chunks of pension and working in shops / schools.