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Feel undermined at school or am I overthinking it

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Notanotherteenmovie1 · 20/01/2021 11:30

I work at a school and I'm a qualified teacher but in a cover role. Currently on a rota , I'm in a classroom where there are 2 staff members for 7 children, which is more than adequate.

The teacher I'm with on one day doesn't speak to me unless she has to, I have passed her in the corridor on several occasions and said hi, and she just sort of looks at you and maybe does a half smile. She and I have different teaching styles and think this has come across during this rota period.

Another staff member popped into the room on Monday morning and they both had a chat. A student said, "I've never seen you look so happy, Miss." And she replied "Well that's because I've got some company now!".
The boy looked at me and then said "But Miss is here?"

the students were playing up and I guess my telling them to get on didn't work very well. The head of year/behaviour people came in and she told them about the boys. She then went outside for a private chat with the behaviour management, then later with the HOY.
Not long after, the behaviour manager called me out for a private chat and asked if I could make sure that X students were getting on and that the other teacher was focusing on X student. I can't be 100% sure but I think she complained about me to the other staff.

Thursdays I am with another staff member. He was out the room and had gone for a while. Two boys started misbehaving and repeatedly ignored my instructions and warnings. I requested the year leader for on-call. He couldn't pick the boys up but replied copying my rota colleague into the email.

I suppose I had indvertently made the other teacher look bad, or he thought I had, even though I told the year leader that I had been the only one in the room when the students were acting up.

Colleague replied to the year leader by email, copying me in saying that HE had spoken to the boys successfully and trying to downplay what I had said, saying they were just 'having a natter'.
Later on, he had to leave the room again and asked a TA to come in, despite there already being me with only 7 students.
Then he said, "Miss X has kindly agreed to come keep an eye on you, be good for her."

I almost said, what's the point of me being here then ? Just feel undermined, I'm aware I've likely brought it on myself by not having good enough behaviour management but I find the staff snakey.

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AvoidingNextdoorNeighbour · 20/01/2021 11:43

What an awful work environment. I'm sorry. I don't have any advice specifically to the education field, other than get the hell out of there and let management know the exact reasons why. It smacks of bullying by the other teacher who ignores you. I'd keep notes about every single interaction like this.

Feathersinthehead · 20/01/2021 11:50

Have you asked for specific support and training to improve your behaviour management? Are you an NQT?
Schools can be unsupportive and bitchy places to work, but you need to be proactive if you are going to stay in the field, and behaviour management is an essential skill.

Notanotherteenmovie1 · 20/01/2021 12:50

I am actually leaving the school luckily, my initial plan was to go this month and do supply but then the closures happened, so as soon as I get a definite date I'm handing my notice in.

I was put on an 'informal support plan' at Christmas but that has been postponed due to the current situation.

I have had previous training but just feel that my face doesn't fit in the school.

Just want to get through this rota thing and leave, feel like a spare part being there.

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rawlikesushi · 20/01/2021 13:01

This is very difficult for you, but you are describing two separate teachers who seem to dislike working with you, which suggests -along with the support plan - that there might be some room for improvement or further training.

It sounds like you are right to leave and I really hope that you find something more suitable, but I work in education and it can be very difficult working with someone who requires a lot of support while they wait for training.

housemdwaswrong · 20/01/2021 13:10

If you are leaving don't give it a second thought.

Are you.aware of your classroom.disxipline messing work? It's either this and you'd be aware of it, or you've fallen foul.of a cliquey school and your face doesn't fit. Much more common than people outside of teaching would think. Tbh even if you behaviour management isn't amazing, the people sound downright bitchy, and that can be soul destroying. Even if you do need support, commenting that she has company now and running to slt to bitch on you every 2 seconds isn't that support. Like the pp said, it can be draining, but that's no reason for them to be downright rude. Get out when you can, and move on.

Feathersinthehead · 20/01/2021 13:29

I love being a supply teacher in normal times, it’s also a great way of finding out what different schools are like before thinking about applying.
But it’s tough, behaviour-wise. You don’t know the children, if you do daily supply you might not even know their names. You don’t know the school, or how their behaviour policies work.
If the children run rings around you, the school won’t want you back, so please be honest with yourself about strengths and weaknesses. If you need to put in research to build your skills, do it. Then you’ll enjoy teaching.

NoOneOwnsTheRainbow · 20/01/2021 14:14

Are you a new teacher? You seem to have inadvertently stepped into the middle of some politics and perhaps ruffled some feathers. Don't let them hit your confidence.
Some teachers are called to make a difference. Others are teachers because they never mentally left school and didn't know what else to do. Sounds like you've met a couple of them.

IndecentFeminist · 20/01/2021 14:20

Am I right in thinking that you have posted before? A few times, with similar issues?

Notanotherteenmovie1 · 20/01/2021 14:22

The guy I'm with on Thursdays is actually the Cover manager and my role is cover.
Over Christmas break I applied to supply agencies and I confided in him that I was leaving and asked him for a reference.
However it wasn't a resignation letter. He never replied to my email or said he was sorry to hear I was leaving or anything, just told me in person that he was getting someone else to do my reference and then forwarded my email to HR without my permission, despite it not being a formal resignation letter.
I told HR the truth anyway.

I agree re supply, I know I will have to be firm but just want a new start out of that place, the school has complained that I award too many behaviour points despite me following the policy.

Feel like a spare part during the rota days, may as well be another student sitting at the PC.

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Notanotherteenmovie1 · 20/01/2021 14:23

Have posted a while ago yeah, but this post is about dealing with these sort of colleagues really.

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rawlikesushi · 20/01/2021 20:46

I don't understand how you can feel like a spare part. There are so many useful things you can do in a classroom, even with such a small number of students.

And at times when the students really don't need you, they have put you in pairs so that you can support each other, and chat, and keep each other sane.

I also think that if you emailed your manager saying that you were going to leave, and asking for a reference, that you can't be surprised that he forwarded it to the dept who provide references.

I think that the way to handle colleagues like this is to show them that you can do a good job and are an asset to the team. You seem to have a reputation for poor behaviour management - you hand out too many behaviour points, you sent for SLT support when your colleague didn't think it was necessary, they brought a TA in to support you rather than leave you alone. Watch what other teachers are doing and learn from them, be proactive in the classroom and really support the kids, be friendly.

MoanaIly · 16/10/2021 22:21

Hi everyone I could really do with some serious advice.
I have been under a lot of pressure lately with my teaching job .I work part time and I have been facing serious stress lately. The school I'm in have put me on a support plan from a MAT review. I have also been feeling pushed out lately as they pile a lot of workload on me on my last working day of the week and they also drop short deadlines to make me feel anxious. I had deputy headteacher in my room for an hour and a half for 2 weeks. All was going ok and I had areas to work on .. suddenly been told to go to heads office after 2 weeks and told I am not making progress and could be facing capability if I don't improve. Some of the notes recorded from the feedback are not accurate about my lessons and I feel like my teaching career may he jeopardized. Due to not having my support plan not provided the head teacher is now saying I have another two weeks of support plan starting again. I feel devastated anxious and upset. I've never had this happen to me before and fearing what to do . I have had advice from union and I feel scared. Part of me wants to go back to prove I am a good teacher but the other part feels like they are out to push me out so will look at anything to put me on capability! Very devastatedConfused

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