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To ask people to tell everyone they know NOT TO FEED HORSES THAT DON’T BELONG TO THEM

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YeahBabyYeahYeah · 19/01/2021 15:09

I won’t post the article as it made me cry and may be more triggering for others, but the most beautiful pony is in the papers today. He died because someone ignored “do not feed” signs and fed him a fucking potato.

Why oh why do some people (who in this case clearly know fuck-all about horses if they are feeding them whole potatoes) think it is OK to feed other people’s animals without their permission?

AIBU to think there should be more awareness about this, especially with more people going for walks at the moment. It is never OK to feed a horse unless the owner tells you it is OK and approves the food.

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Nancylovesthecock · 22/01/2021 20:47

@Sparklingbrook

People would say at the moment that it's the only treat the DC have to look forward to or something. Going to feed someone else's horses without permission.
Going to POISON a horse for fun. Very child friendly.
TrainspottingWelsh · 22/01/2021 21:09

Of course it's either thick or entitled. Horses aren't something you buy and then leave at the back of a cupboard and forget you own. So you have to be rather stupid if you can't remember whether the horse you want to feed belongs to you or not. Thicker still if you acknowledge you know fuck all about horses in general, but decide you are in a position to judge the specific dietary requirements of the one before you.
Alternatively you are perfectly well aware it isn't your horse but have decided it's your god given right to use it as entertainment regardless of the consequences.

Also bollocks to it being pity. I have two deceptively cute small ponies that are often out with big rugged horses in winter or on sparse grazing and/or muzzled in summer. The clueless but concerned animal lovers will knock on and ask about the foals or baby horses with no coats, or can they eat and drink with that on etc. I even had a visit from a welfare officer about the mud plastered foal (Shetland) so starving it was trying to eat someone's bag of shopping through the fence. More recently I've had genuine animal lovers asking about 'the very skinny one' (ancient thinnish tb that only looks underweight compared to its bulkier different breed companions) The 'I just want to feed and I know more about your animals than you do so I can do what I want' crowd just use concern as a bullshit excuse for their personal pleasure.

Melange99 · 22/01/2021 21:24

I have never fed a horse anything, I am wary of them, although I always stop and look at them because they are so beautiful. However if I wasn't frightened of them I would have probably thought you could give them a carrot or a mint, so the message that you should not feed them should be widely circulated. It's outrageous that people think they have entitlement to feed them despite signs or owners asking them not to. (I have fed ducks in the past, along with most of the country I expect, but stopped because I started seeing signs it was bad for them).

YeahBabyYeahYeah · 22/01/2021 23:34

They are beautiful, they are absolutely one of the most beautiful animals on the planet. If only everyone could be content just to look or talk to them (except the owners obviously!!).

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Gooseygoosey12345 · 22/01/2021 23:39

I never understand why people do this. You wouldn't walk up to someone's dog and feed it. Or a cow. Honestly baffles me.

CleanQueen123 · 23/01/2021 07:40

@Gooseygoosey12345 I think people would if the dog was on its own.

It's the same with cats. My local Facebook pages are full of posts along the lines of "Does anyone own this cat? I've seen it a few times and it's starving. If no one comes forward I'll catch it and take it to the vet to check for a microchip." Along with a picture of said cat, who looks perfectly healthy and is just enjoying the extra food and attention.

You'll then get 20 other people offering the cat a home because it's obviously starving and abandoned Hmm

I think there's more than one poor cat that's had a totally unnecessary trip to the vets!

Maverickess · 23/01/2021 08:12

The point you’re missing is the horse is often left alone in a field in all weathers. Often a bare muddy field with hardly any grass. To a non horsey person the horse might look neglected, lonely and hungry.

To be honest not many horses are 'left alone' because they're herd animals and the majority of horse owners understand this, and therefore they usually have at least one companion, if not a herd. They're on a muddy field with barely any grass because a) horses weren't designed to live inside, they are designed to live outside, they can adapt to living inside due to saving grazing land being poached (horses poach land when it gets wet, leading to mud) and they're normally obviously within the boundaries of a farm, not just a random field in the middle of nowhere.
Secondly rolling in mud, and foraging for food are perfectly natural behaviour for a horse. My horses field is muddy as hell right now, they get a haynet each twice a day, they are leaving a lot of the second one because they'd rather be eating the grass. Randoms don't know I'm feeding them haynets twice a day, do I now have to stick my feeding schedule to the gate too? And anyway, what would that mean to people who are self professed to know nothing about horses? Why aren't people campaigning about wild ponies on Shetland, or on the Welsh mountains, on Dartmoor and Exmoor if they're so concerned? How on earth do they think wild horses survive? It's not about worrying about their welfare at all because the correct course of action if you are concerned is to report to the correct authority. Not take it upon yourself to feed an animal you 'think' is hungry with things you have no Idea of the effect they're going to have.

It’s not like feeding a horse when the owner is riding it, or feeding a dog in the park.

No it's like feeding a dog that's out in the garden, how many people would take it upon themselves to do that and then argue that it's ok because it was alone and 'looks hungry'?

Yes it’s wrong to feed horses and ponies... but calling people thick for not knowing a handful of grass can be harmful; that sounds rude and arrogant. And not a great way to keep your horses safe.

You don't need to know that a handful of grass can be harmful. Many have explained over and over that it is on here, but people are still arguing back about it. All you need to do is not feed an animal that's not yours, without permission. I own the horse, I put the time in to learn what is best to feed that horse, I pay the bills, I'm the one that gets to decide if 100 carrots and a big Mac or a haynet are suitable for my horse to eat, not people who freely admit they know nothing about horses.

HikeForward · 23/01/2021 08:23

To call me thick that I don't know not to give horses food (inc. carrots) seems a little harsh. As far as I knew, I'd been well educated in what to do with horses. Turns out times have changed and perhaps knowledge of horse digestive systems has moved on. But if you're not a horse owner, why would you know that?

It was this post that stood out to me. I agree with whoever posted it, calling someone ‘thick’ for not knowing something is harsh. And narrow minded, because people who own horses are in a dwindling minority. Not feeding horses in fields sadly isn’t common knowledge in most areas.

Horse owners do themselves no favours by calling people thick or entitled. The poster wasn’t saying she would ignore a sign, climb a fence or trespass. She just asked if she could pick a handful of grass and offer it to the horse! She accepted she was wrong in thinking this was ok. So why such rudeness and calling her thick?

Someone else mentioned Jilly Cooper novels (was that FlyByNight when the narrator befriends a pony with carrots and goes on to adopt it?) I can think of numerous 1950s/60s horse novels where horsey characters did the same, so it’s not hard to see why people might have formed those beliefs.

More education is needed, and in some cases field security needs improving. But mostly people need to understand that people are not thick or entitled for asking questions. They just don’t know!

Frodont · 23/01/2021 08:28

They aren't asking questions though are they?

And anyone who takes life lessons from Jilly Cooper is not just thick, they are delusional. Hth.

midgebabe · 23/01/2021 08:33

anyone who thinks that people don't learn from reading books and watching tv is very thick

Marley20 · 23/01/2021 08:39

I honestly can't believe people do this, surely everyone knows you don't feed other people's animals in the same way you'd never offer a strangers child food! Especially horses, I take my boys out daily to see neighbours horses in the village and they're not even allowed to stand within touching distance of the fence and have to be quiet or we leave. Kids don't need to feed, dusturb or touch them to enjoy them FFS.

HikeForward · 23/01/2021 08:39

Or a cow

I’ve seen lots of people feeding cows. Often apples and potatoes so that could be why some people carry a random potato on country walks? I have no idea what cows eat. I don’t go near cows let alone feed them. When I see people feeding them I worry the cows are going to stampede through the gate or fence!

Do you consider someone thick or entitled for not knowing (or caring) what cows eat? Even if they never feed them and give them a wide berth?

Frodont · 23/01/2021 08:39

Jilly Cooper though

😅😅

Frodont · 23/01/2021 08:42

Do you consider someone thick or entitled for not knowing (or caring) what cows eat? Even if they never feed them and give them a wide berth?

Of course not. I consider them a complete prat if they don't know anything about horses or cows but still feed them.

If anyone feeds cows then don't come crying to me when your French bulldog gets trampled!

Maverickess · 23/01/2021 08:46

@HikeForward

Many horse owners have also pointed out that when they do try and educate, they are met with ripped down signs, abuse, denial and attitudes of "You're just a posh stuck up snob".
With people still feeding their horses and horses still suffering because of that.
That leads me at least, to the conclusion that people don't want to be educated, they just want to do it and will then fall back on the "I didn't know" excuse.
If so many horse owners hadn't experienced the same then I'd be inclined to agree that it is just lack of education, but it's not.

HikeForward · 23/01/2021 08:49

All you need to do is not feed an animal that's not yours, without permission. I own the horse, I put the time in to learn what is best to feed that horse, I pay the bills, I'm the one that gets to decide if 100 carrots and a big Mac or a haynet are suitable for my horse to eat, not people who freely admit they know nothing about horses

I agree with you. But how are you going to convince the masses?

CleanQueen123 · 23/01/2021 08:51

@Maverickess I agree.

I'm never rude when I find people doing something they shouldn't. I'm polite and try to educate.

We have a footpath running right across the middle of the fields with signs at each end and various points in between politely asking not to feed or approach the horses as their kindness could kill.

We still catch people doing it. Even more frustratingly we also find them in fields that are crossed by the footpath so they've had to climb through electric tape or barbed wire to get there.

The signs are clearly not read or read and ignored so they can use the "I didn't know" excuse when they're caught.

countrygirl99 · 23/01/2021 08:57

@HikeForward

All you need to do is not feed an animal that's not yours, without permission. I own the horse, I put the time in to learn what is best to feed that horse, I pay the bills, I'm the one that gets to decide if 100 carrots and a big Mac or a haynet are suitable for my horse to eat, not people who freely admit they know nothing about horses

I agree with you. But how are you going to convince the masses?

Village stocks is beginning to look like the only way. And I'm only half joking.
HikeForward · 23/01/2021 09:09

They aren't asking questions though are they?

The poster I quoted from upthread was asking a question. She was jumped on by multiple people calling her thick! You could have answered her question politely without the insults. (I don’t mean you personally unless you were one of the posters responding harshly.)

I’m not talking about people ripping down signs or trespassing to pet horses or dumping rubbish in fields. That would make me livid too.
I’m talking about the people who know no better. They’re not ‘stupid’ or ‘thick’ they just don’t know about horses. Maybe they’re experts in a field you know nothing about, who knows. Imagine you did something dangerous unknowingly and someone called you stupid and thick, how would you feel?

How we respond to the ones who know no better shapes their view of us. If you tell someone they’re thick for giving your horse a carrot or some grass, how do you think they’ll see you and other horse owners/riders in future? Does it help break the stereotype that horsey people are stuck up and rude? Does it educate or inform? Will that person be more or less inclined to slow down for riders on the road in future? Will they stop to let us cross a road to get to the bridle way?

Gooseygoosey12345 · 23/01/2021 09:10

@CleanQueen123 maybe they would then. I just think it's so weird to go around feeding animals that don't belong to you. I've never felt the need to feed someone else's cat either. People are strange!

CleanQueen123 · 23/01/2021 09:19

@Gooseygoosey12345 I've never felt the need either but as this thread, and the behaviour of some people I've come across proves, plenty of people think it's totally acceptable.

HikeForward · 23/01/2021 09:21

We have a footpath running right across the middle of the fields with signs at each end and various points in between politely asking not to feed or approach the horses as their kindness could kill

I’m sorry you still have trouble with people ignoring the signs, that must be infuriating.

Personally I like it when there are signs warning of horses/cows in the field, so I can double back and avoid going through it. I don’t think the average person knows how dangerous horses and cattle can be though.

Would signs saying ‘please don’t approach or feed the horses as they may kick, bite or chase you, enter at your own risk, owner accepts no liability for your injuries if you disobey the signs etc’ work better on the ones who ignore the polite signs?

Frodont · 23/01/2021 09:23

Would signs saying ‘please don’t approach or feed the horses as they may kick, bite or chase you, enter at your own risk, owner accepts no liability for your injuries if you disobey the signs etc’ work better on the ones who ignore the polite signs?

If you admit that you know a horse bites you can be liable for insurance claims, so no.

HikeForward · 23/01/2021 09:29

If you admit that you know a horse bites you can be liable for insurance claims, so no

Ah I see your point. But any horse can bite and kick? Especially if harassed or fed by strangers. They’re unpredictable prey animals that can take fright so easily.

I wonder if there’s some loophole, eg making it clear the horses are no risk if people stay on the footpath. But stating the owner is not responsible if people stray off the footpath to feed/pet the horses? It’s so long since I’ve owned a horse I’m not sure.

I’d be tempted to add a few CCTV monitoring signs too actually.

Frodont · 23/01/2021 09:34

I can't afford cctv. Also my field backs onto houses so not sure how they'd feel about a camera (the footpath runs along the back of the houses).

I've put up 3 signs saying please do not feed or approach me, I have an illness which means I can only eat special food"

Still people think that special food must be bits of bread and veg thet they bring with them.