to think Cosmo threw these models under the bus?

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AIBU to think this caption choice was deliberate to cause a Twitter-shit-storm (with the side effect of loads of horrible comments about the models)? Feels like they took something positive and deliberately twisted it to make people angry.

You can’t tell someone’s health by looking at them can you. You could be thin but smoke 10 a day and binge drink, but because the person is thin it means they are healthy? Who decided that thin people were the epitome of health?

Desperate shock marketing?

Obviously one is clinically obese and the other average? Is this about health and dieting? Is it suggesting all people irrespective of health conditions should exercise to improve their wellness?

No.

Cosmo always had model types. The mood changes they think they can make money.

There's no way they are trying to good and not trying to make money.

It's exploitation no matter the size of the women/ girls.

And I'm really uncomfortable with the idea that being obese is just another body shape.

DH is obese. His dad has diabetes. DH is only young. Well, younger than me he's early 40s. Being obese puts stress on your joints, heart etc. And everyone knows that! After the kids I was obese. I felt crappy. I was ill. Depressed.

The message it's aok is, to me. Not ok. Not to shame or anything. But factually.

Cosmo are not doing this for good reasons that's for sure.

I think that particular model pictured in your first post (Jessamyn something?) blogs/ posts regularly about body positivity at all sizes and her instagram is dedicated to it, I'm sure she was expecting a heated debate on the topic and that it would spark discussion.

My point in my above post was intended to be that no, I don't think she was 'thrown under the bus'.

I read the whole article. There is a range of different women with different bodies and they are talking about their health and fitness achievements and body positivity in general.

Callie Thorpe is an influencer on Instagram. That photo has been photoshopped. Callie admits on Instagram that she has put on a lot of weight last year and does hardly any exercise.

I can assure you she IS NOT healthy. She's a very pretty lady who I used to follow for fashion tips ( she doesn't do them much anymore ) as I am a size 18/20. She like a lot of us has put on a little weight this last year and there is absolutely no way she looks like she does on that cover.

She's a good size 26 plus and It's completely disingenuous of Cosmopolitan to use her and call her healthy as there are quite a lot of other plus size bloggers or Instagram/influencers who do lots of exercise and are pretty healthy whilst being in the obese category ( fuller figure fuller bust for example who trains a lot! ) Callie Thorpe isn't one of them.

Being obese isn't healthy as we all know ( I am just inside that category) but Cosmo have photoshopped and edited that photo of her to within an inch of its life, it has no bearing whatsoever on how she actually looks in real life.

Could they just be saying exercise is healthy at whatever size you are? It doesn’t say ‘Thissizeis healthy’.

That's what I thought. But, cynically, I don't believe that they were naive enough not to anticipate how people would interpret it.

On another note, I'm sure I read an article about a study which concluded that thin smokers were still healthier than fat non smokers. Anybody else remember this or able to confirm if it's true (as opposed to a sensationalist claim)?

Can't have been more than a couple years ago I read it.

NHS used to print public health info that stated something along the lines of an 'idea' weight person who smokes being the equivalent of four stones overweight healthwise.

*ideal obvs

That's interesting, but this was defo that a thin smoker was healthier than a chubber.

Sorry, don't mean that as a derogatory term! It's usually a form of endearment I use for my partner's jack russell who is indeed 'a right chubber'. 😂

@Lavanderrose

You can’t tell someone’s health by looking at them can you. You could be thin but smoke 10 a day and binge drink, but because the person is thin it means they are healthy? Who decided that thin people were the epitome of health?

I think your thin person would be showing some unhealthy signs too there.

Problem is your health is individual others health makes 0 impact on it
So saying "ahh but you can be thin and dying of bowel cancer so me being fat isn't so bad" doesn't mean anything.

When they say being fat is unhealthy they don't mean compared to another person they mean compared to you if you weren't over weight.

Yes you can be fat and healthier than a normal sized person.

But you aren't healthier than you'd be if you weren't overweight

YANBU but because this is MN, where it's not ok to have a body, you'll find many people just agreeing that the model is vile and disgusting and probably one Big Mac away from a heart attack.

Cosmopolitan, like all other magazines, is all about selling copies via its covers. Twas ever thus. I used to buy Cosmo in the late 70s, they liked a controversial headline back then, too.

I always speculate that fat people probably don't have very healthy hearts.

Certainly when I was thai boxing the fat people who would join would totally shatter during sparring and pad work compared to the thin people.

@SkinnyMinnieee

I always speculate that fat people probably don't have very healthy hearts.

Certainly when I was thai boxing the fat people who would join would totally shatter during sparring and pad work compared to the thin people.

Nothing to do with having to do twice the work you were?

Well, surely that's not healthy.

I don’t see the same level of debate about how unhealthy all the dangerously underweight models on the covers of magazines are and how unhealthy that is. That has become normal. We live in a fat phobic society and anything that endorses ‘Health at Every Size’ is positive in my opinion. Anorexia has a 20% mortality rate. ( my dd14 is a sufferer).

Have you read the article ?

@Marv1nGay3

I don’t see the same level of debate about how unhealthy all the dangerously underweight models on the covers of magazines are and how unhealthy that is. That has become normal. We live in a fat phobic society and anything that endorses ‘Health at Every Size’ is positive in my opinion. Anorexia has a 20% mortality rate. ( my dd14 is a sufferer).

Of course you don't see the same level of debate.

That debate was had years ago and there's now laws in place in many of the "fashion" countries banning underweight models.

HAES (as it's known) is quite frankly a load of bollocks IMHO, up there with 'responsible use of crack cocaine'. You can't be healthy if leaving the house involves window removal and the use of a crane.

I remember one of the biggest (literally) proponents of the fat acceptance movement. She had the hugely fat husband and was really 'proud' of her stance etc. Proper poster couple for the movement, although they clearly needed to indulge in more movement than they did!

Well, I saw an update several years later about how she'd apparently changed her tune after getting agonising osteo arthritis of the knee and facing huge mobility problems, which all the doctors blamed on her weight.

Trying to be healthier at any size is commendable, but the actual HAES movement, from memory, promotes the idea that you can be obese and healthy. It's as batshit as the trans brigade and their 'menstruating men'.