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To think that those people calling for the schools to shut should check their privilege

517 replies

berryfull · 03/01/2021 19:11

It’s all very well and good to decide to keep your kids home or call for the schools to shut when you have enough space/have a garden/ have enough bedrooms/ have a home office/ can work from home/one parent doesn’t work/ you can work flexibly / your work can furlough you/ you have enough savings/ you have enough money/ you have WiFi / you have a device per child/ your children can read and write/ your children are independent/ your children are neurotypical/ your children don’t have disabilities/ you’re not scared of your partner/ you’re not scared of your children/ your mental health doesn’t make you a danger to your children/ yiu can cope with the stress/ your partner isn’t a danger to your children/ your health is good enough to allow you to look after your children/ your education level is sufficient for you to help educate your children you can feed your children throughout the day ..... etc etc

Stop presuming that all children will be safer at home. There are bigger and comparable dangers to the Covid that school keeps children safe from. And the vunerable ones are not being looked after.

Keep the schools open .... please!

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happystone · 03/01/2021 21:33

Balls deep. Her children are valuable due to disabilities not to do with parenting

ChloeDecker · 03/01/2021 21:33

Please feel free to explain to all the severely disabled children why schools are shut mine included.

I think Gavin Williamson should do that. Oh wait, where is he?

PufferFishGoneWrong · 03/01/2021 21:33

@1stmonkey

I don't agree with closing schools at all. If teaching and school staff were at such great risk from the children, they would have all had covid between Sept and Dec when the schools opened. If staff are truly vulnerable, they'll be high on the list for vaccinations. And if they're not, they need to get on with it, like ALL key workers. As for children spreading it to others, if you're sticking to all of the other rules, they should only be coming into contact with their own household. Weighing up the reality of the risk, i think it's considerably more harmful that our children are just left to wing it with their education.
Very well said.
FractionalGains · 03/01/2021 21:35

@FrippEnos

FractionalGains

They do now. They didn’t during the first wave.

They didn't at the start of the first wave, they conplained and threatened to walk out but various companies, schools and teachers made it for them.

Quoted your post in full. The natural reading is that schools played a part in averting the PPE crisis. My aunt who is a teacher in a private school made a trolley to provide to their hospital during lockdown of about 100 goggles or something. It was a lovely gesture but millions of bits of PPE were needed. I don’t think schools really were the provider of that on a large scale (and why should they be?). Companies yes, not sure how that’s relevant to your point. Then again I’m not sure what your point is, other than to be a dick about medical staff.

Your “made noises” phraseology seems non-committal. I certainly don’t recall medical unions advising their members it was unsafe to go to work, and sufficient quantities of them therefore refusing to turn up such that medical facilities were unable to open, as is happening with some schools at the moment. I don’t blame the teachers for doing that, I just don’t think the same is true of eg ICU nurses in the last lockdown. If I’m wrong, and just don’t remember, provide me a link. I know my husband who is a front line doctor was not involved in any talk of strikes.

Also what is my ‘narrative’, given that I want schools shut too? I support teachers. I am just sick of people who denigrate the risks faced by health workers.

As for why I don’t start a new thread. The post of mine you responded to was a reply to this:

Secondly, people who work in hospitals have full PPE and access to regular testing

So I didn’t bring it up, someone else did. Unless you’re going to tell me I’m not allowed to respond?

RedToothBrush · 03/01/2021 21:35

The problem is if the new strain of the virus is as virulent as it appears then you are going get to a point where schools end up shut due to a lack of staff at some point PLUS cases in the community will be much higher meaning that other essential services end up badly affected by absences.

People are approaching this from the angle that schools can either be open or closed, whereas the new strain means that might not be accurate and you are chosing between a managed shut down or one provoked by huge number of cases.

How do single parents care for children if they become very ill from this? How does that benefit kids? Even if parents don't die.

No one 'wins' as such. Its a question of a lesser of two evils.

And unfortunately the reality is its not about class v class.

We are locked into a position where the number of cases we have gives us very few options and room to move and what is a bad choice is merely better than a worse one.

One thing that seems to be lacking in this country in general is joined up thinking about a chain of different events and issues and how they are all connected.

Decisions to prevent where we are, are ones that are in the past and we can't change.

TaraRhu · 03/01/2021 21:37

@Backbee supermarket workers are in a similar situation. 100s if not thousands of customers on a daily basis - all touching stuff. Not to mention the entire health service.

PennineSpring · 03/01/2021 21:38

Close the mainstream schools by all means but how the teaching unions and government expect parents of disabled children to cope again if the special schools shut, I do not know.
Many of us are on our knees. School is our only respite from caring and as PP have said many special schools closed their doors to us last year despite the Government explicitly saying the should stay open for children with ECH plans.

upthekyber · 03/01/2021 21:38

Well said.
I am sure you will have been roundly attacked as that seems to be the way people want to deal with this by bullying and intimidation.

But if you want you children off school keep them off school no one is stopping you.

happystone · 03/01/2021 21:39

I agree fuck the teachears teaching staff and there families. Let them work with out ppe social distancing. Let them get I’ll or die why should I care fucking teachears I won’t to put them at risk looking after my darling child. Im allright

SillyOldMummy · 03/01/2021 21:39

I'm truly sorry for your situation OP, and the thousands of families in impossibly difficult situations. I know I'm privileged. The decisions at this moment in time are invidious. How do we decide who to try and save, and which decision will cause the least suffering? It is impossible to make these choices.

Satlie2019 · 03/01/2021 21:40

@ekidmxcl exactly. OP My teacher brother caught COVID at the start of December, his whole family then caught it just before Christmas. Luckily they were all young and healthy, but not all teachers are and even young people can suffer from long COVID (or even in extreme cases die). Some teachers are in their 60s, some have underlying health conditions. Why should they have to work in an unsafe working environment? I can think of no other professions who have been expected to work with no PPE and limited or no social distancing, we should all check our privilege if we expect teachers risk their lives.

Additionally, schools cannot function normally anway in many cases with the high number of cases. We need time to stop and actually put some sensible COVID secure measures into schools. Previous government guidance basically asked school to avoid masks in the classroom and social distancing was limited in secondary schools due to space (non-existent in primary schools). Most schools are relying on windows for ventilation, so this is difficult too now it is colder.

YoniAndGuy · 03/01/2021 21:43

Oh shut up with that AWFUL phrase!!

So snug and stupid and clever clever!

Why don’t you go ‘check’ the hairs on your own arsehole

saraclara · 03/01/2021 21:44

@Casschops

Im and OT I had to crack on and have been in work since the first lockdown. I am in paediatrics. My mate works in Aldi. Teachers need to crack on like we all do they are not an elite.
Forget teachers. Look at this graph. Remember that hospitals have all but run out of ICU beds and are cancelling cancer surgery (I shouldn't have to remind you if you're an HCP). Look at this chart that shows what is happening to this new infinitely more transmissible virus right now. Do you REALLY think that now is the time to be sending children into school, unmasked and shoulder to shoulder in a small poorly ventilated room with up to 30 others? Do you really want yours to bring Covid home to you?

Communities should be grateful to the unions for stirring this up and potentially saving many lives. And I'm not talking about those of teachers. Schools are the perfect growing medium for this new strain of virus.

To think that those people calling for the schools to shut should check their privilege
littlepieces · 03/01/2021 21:44

If you have all these problems, why did you have kids?

catsarecute · 03/01/2021 21:45

I honestly think YABU I'm afraid. There's a pandemic and people are dying in the tens of thousands, a plane crash full a day at least, day in, day out. The NHS is really struggling and there's reports of them running out of oxygen, really long waits for ambulances etc.

You ask where the spike was when they opened schools, see the graph attached. Secondary age children were the most infected group as of 18 Dec, closely followed by primary age kids. You can see how spread accelerated when schools re-opened and you can see the dip created by October half term.

If the government had opened schools more safely, we might not be in this position now, but we are where we are, there's a new variant, and it's spreading rapidly amongst children.

Where YANBU is to want support for vulnerable kids and working parents. This should be provided (I accept you're saying it wasn't in first lockdown) - write to your MP if you're not getting what you need, you should be, push the issue, get an advocate etc.

Parents and kids do need to be supported, but for the majority, right now, that shouldn't be through in person teaching. The more kids there are in school, the riskier it becomes. It's not fair to ask school staff to be putting themselves at this level of risk for kids that can safely stay at home. Besides which, the more kids that are in school, the more chance that there will be cases of covid and they will have to isolate at the drop of a hat, which gives no consistency for the kids, creates a nightmare for working parents due to the short notice, and is harder because you can't even take the kids out for a walk or to the park if they're isolating.

We shouldn't have all kids in school, with no distancing, no masks, and threats of fines to parents if they don't send them in the middle of a pandemic. Where this causes issues for families, we need to address those issues, not have a one size fits all approach. My child should not be forced into school because you feel that school is the best place for your child at the moment.

You also need to consider how you will cope if you get covid, and are poorly and needing to look after your kids in isolation, because that's also happening to people and is very difficult for them.

I think we need a short, strict lockdown including schools to get the levels right down, and give us chance to get vaccinations rolled out. NHS and care staff should be top priority, then school staff.

When the levels are lower, they need to look again at how to make schools safer - they're looking at testing in secondary schools now but I think the current plan to test close contacts instead of isolating them could actually make things worse, so it needs work. I'd like them to strongly encourage masks and look at a blended approach in secondary schools at least.

There's not really any easy answers because all of the possible situations are pretty crap really. But schools open, no ifs, no buts, isn't any good right now, it's not working and something has got to give I'm afraid.

To think that those people calling for the schools to shut should check their privilege
happystone · 03/01/2021 21:47

No one is privileged in a pandemic ffs writing this makes you privileged. People who aren’t privileged have no internet ect only on Mumsnet

TinyTroubleMaker · 03/01/2021 21:47

Though there probably are some people that stupid in our society littlepieces, going to assume you are a troll.. yawn.

Cruella76 · 03/01/2021 21:49

Awful as it sounds, some people just don't want the schools to shut for their own convenience. They don't want their kids at home. And I get it. Especially if you are unable to work or stuck in a confined space, I really do. But the country is on its knees and people need to look beyond their own circumstances. When ICU have no beds and people are being refused treatment, schools can't just be expected to stay open so you can have free childcare.

I know people who have flouted the rules throughout this pandemic, they mixed all through Christmas and now they have the audacity to be shocked and annoyed at the possibility of schools closing because they'll be stuck at home with their kids.

amitoooldforthisshit · 03/01/2021 21:49

check my privilege???...do one tosser

happystone · 03/01/2021 21:49

Lola smiles. Well said

Blueeyesparkle · 03/01/2021 21:50

Buddytheelf85 There are many and varied reasons why people want to see the schools stay open, but I guarantee you that not one parent wants them open so that they can put their feet up and read the paper.
Your last comment, oh you have so idea!

MintyCedric · 03/01/2021 21:52

Perhaps you should think about 'checking your privilege?'

I'd like school closed because I'm clinically vulnerable and currently caring for a dying parent and supporting the other (80+) parent, since any infrastructure for our situation has gone to shit since Covid. My dad was diagnosed 'end of life' back in April so this isn't a short term thing and I'm now having to take an unpaid sabbatical.

I can be as careful as I like but with DD in school in an area where cases have tripled in the last fortnight, it's only a matter of time before she's in contact with/catches it and either gives it to me and I am ill/pass it on to my parents, or I have to self-isolate and risk not being there for them when my dad dies.

So yeah, very privileged here...living the fucking dream.

ineedaholidaynow · 03/01/2021 21:52

If it is so important that schools are open to help vulnerable children (as the Government have cut so many supply services so schools have to place an extra role on teachers to help these children other than in an educational sense) then surely it should be down to the Government to help keep schools open, not just let them carry on as normal in a pandemic and hope for the best. It should not be adding yet another burden onto teachers for them to try and keep schools open.

If a factory has to close because the owners have not made the factory COVID secure, who gets the blame the workers or the factory owners? Why are the teachers getting the blame that schools are closing when it is the Government that has done bugger all to help schools stay open?

WhatTiggersDoBest · 03/01/2021 21:56

@saraclara you put it perfectly.

MrsHamlet · 03/01/2021 22:02

the state school my other nephew went to sent home a bunch of poorly photocopied lesson plans that made no sense and relied on parents home schooling. Presumably the teachers enjoyed a nice few months outside in the sun sending in the odd photocopy.
Have you read the guidance from October about remote education?
It's substantially different from last time.
www.gov.uk/government/publications/actions-for-schools-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak/guidance-for-full-opening-schools#res