“Left high and dry”

[Keeva2017]

Totally prepared to be told I’m an unreasonable bugger. This has made me angry - more than it should. Clearly I’m already hangry from my New Years diet!

But here’s the question. AIBU for being really annoyed at a lady on the news moaning she was left high and dry by the fact her 2nd vaccination dose (high five to the people who hate the word jab) was postponed so that someone else can have their first dose?

Is this not utterly self centred?

Hit me. I can take it.

@Lemonpiano

Bearing in mind the emphasis that up until a few days ago was being placed on the importance of people receiving both doses before they would be protected and able to consider modifying their behaviour, I can understand why someone would be frightened and frustrated to now be told they aren't getting the planned second dose.

Suggesting that this woman is effectively calling for somebody to die so she can have the complete course of the vaccination is nasty and clearly untrue.

This, totally.

What's the evidence that waiting longer for the second dose doesn't affect the effectiveness of the vaccine? The recommendation is for between 21 and 28 days for a reason.

And NHS staff need full protection now, in order to be able to stay as fully staffed as possible. Without them, we're more likely to have problems in accessing care when it's needed.

As a HCP I'm furious about the change in dosing. The evidence for the change is theoretical and there have been no tests on what level of immunity one dose gives and for how long. The liability for the vaccination was already a thorny issue, requiring me to take out an extra personal liability insurance, and now I'm being asked to administer an off label dose of a novel vaccine. I've withdrawn my application to administer any vaccinations

The problem is that while there is evidence to support a longer gap for the Oxford, there isn't for the Pfizer. Yes the Pfizer gives decent immunity with 1 dose BUT there is no evidence that the immunity continues past the 21 days without the second dose. So effectively you could be wasting the vaccine and getting people with no immunity at all.
I have started a course of treatment, I gave consent for it. That course of treatment has now been changed. So no, I'm not happy.

Slightly different as her neighbour is also in sheltered accommodation and therefore of age to receive the vaccine on the first wave but I understand your point.
Bluntly I think its shite to give people the hope of being vaccinated then taking it away from them half way through because someone didn't think things through clearly before starting the whole thing.
Seems daft to give 100 people 50% of the vaccine rather than 50 people the full whack

@Thisendsnow you see I think it’s daft to give 50 people high immunity rather than 100 some immunity.

Beauty of MN isn’t it!

AFAIK (and I've read a tonne would love pointing towards this being true as a frontline NHS worker in contact with many many people per day) the 1st vaccine giving 90% immunity is something put out by the government and not anywhere in the Pfizer accurate information. Because twice as many people getting a sustained 90% is obviously a better situation but twice as many people getting an unknown amount of protection for an unknown amount of time is a terrible idea. There needs to be some published solid science.

YANBU and I totally agree with you. I actually said to DH this morning I think people are being terribly self centred and selfish. I'd much rather 2 people be partially vaccinated than 1 person fully vaccinated (fully in the sense of the maximum achievable).

@ExCwmbranDweller I think you have it. On that basis il take that I’m being unreasonable as my assumptions aren’t based on published reliable scientific data.

Quite honestly as a retired due to illness nurse who is ECV I would propose a third way

All frontline health care staff, not back room secretaries etc should receive both doses as we really do need them to have as high protection as possible

All others should receive the other initial dose, I say that as a 51 who almost certainly wouldn’t survive Covid unvaccinated, with one dose it may not be pretty but I should survive

I’ve had to shield since early March but am still put at risk daily by my also CV ds who is still forced to attend school and risks catching it and bringing it home

The only difference between the 80 year old and me is they have been given higher priority even though they are almost certainly less likely to die than me

I have no problem waiting for my second dose, I’d just like to get my first!

Well, I don't know what to say OP. After my many, many years on MN I've never persuaded someone they WERE being unreasonable .

Lets just sit here with a gin until someone manages to dig us up some decent stats and then we can decide together what's for the best of the nation

Hands @ExCwmbranDweller a gin

YABU because if she’s had the Pfizer vaccine, it doesn’t work if you don’t have the second dose 21 days later. It appears to be a monumental fuck up to try to administer it like the Oxford vaccine.