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*TW* Would this be considered a form of rape?

40 replies

FTM91 · 31/12/2020 17:12

This happened to me in early 2015. Since the #metoo movement and generally more public attention towards the treatment of women, as well as me growing up, I'm left wondering.

Long story short I had broken up with my partner of 2.5 years. We had to continue living together for a few weeks while I found somewhere else to go (he owned the flat and I was a recent graduate so couldn't afford to up and leave straight away)

In that time he forced me to give him oral sex 'one last time'. I remember clearly having tears in my eyes while it happened and to this day can't understand now he could stand and enjoy that while I was so clearly distressed.

So my question is, would that fall under the technical definition of rape? Or would it not because it was me performing the act on him?

I'm sure there will be people commenting that I didn't have to do it all but really you don't know until you're in that situation, I could see no way out and he was manipulative to the extreme.

Clearly there's nothing I can do about it now, but he's such a model person in every other aspect of life. Highly intelligent, well achieving junior doctor, looks after his mum in hard times, generous, funny etc. I'd love to just take him down a few pegs and tell him he's no better than any other piece of shit manipulative exploitative man out there.

Finally, technicalities aside, how do I get over this? I have a great job, recently engaged and have a baby on the way with an absolutely wonderful man. I couldn't be happier yet this stupid thing that happened 6 years ago still crops up every now and then and keeps me up at night.

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Somanysocks · 31/12/2020 19:44

It IS classed as rape. I was on the jury of a court case where a young woman was coerced into giving a man oral sex. It was a rape trial.

I'm so sorry op that you went through this.

CaraDuneRedux · 31/12/2020 19:49

Yes, rape, both legally and morally.

So sorry he did this to you. Flowers He may be a pillar of the community but he is still a fucking scumbag rapist.

I hope you can follow up some of the suggestions upthread for places where you might get help and support.

Comfortzone · 31/12/2020 19:51

God this has brought back a bad memory for me he doesn't have ginger/blonde tight curly hair does he? Only because a medic at uni did similar to me - years ago tho. Sorry if I'm being blunt here OP. I hope you are doing ok.

FTM91 · 31/12/2020 20:11

@comfortzone quite the opposite, he was Chinese actually. Sorry that similar has happened to you too

@clackyheels it's mad isn't it. Sadly I bet there are thousands of women who have since realised that these seemingly small things that have happened to them and they've brushed off are actually major things. I bet a lot of these men are the same ones calling themselves feminists and that they wouldn't hurt a fly...ugh. sorry for you and your friends too x

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Clackyheels · 31/12/2020 20:16

I know. Its truly made me reevaluate different aspects of my life and relationships with men. I've realised that I do not trust ANY men anymore. It's sad.

I hope society is changing and these situations will become not socially acceptable which will decrease the frequency. I hope.

LoveMyKidsAndCats · 01/01/2021 16:33

Sending hugs x

LoveMyKidsAndCats · 01/01/2021 16:38

Been through similar during an argument with my already abusive bf when he pushed me over the bed and penetrated me and I didn't do anything as I was just in shock. I never reported him. We never even mentioned it to each other. He was abusive and I did manage to leave but it was some time after this incident. No idea why I stayed, it was really messed up but I was in love.

LuaDipa · 01/01/2021 16:57

I’m sorry this happened but I am so glad that you are questioning this and understand it was wrong (though I look forward to the day that women don’t have to question whether something this vile is rape or not). You are not alone and I hope that you are able to seek help to deal with this.

And please remember that he isn’t a model person in any form. He is a rapist. A rapist who is a junior doctor or loves his mum is still no better or worse than any other rapist. He is scum. I truly hope you are able to move on from what he did to you. Flowers

WoolieLiberal · 01/01/2021 17:13

In the UK this is rape and was in 2015.

He might present like a model person to everyone else but anyone who can do
This needs to be put away.

He might do it again and might have done it since.

Report him.
The police take historic cases seriously, courts are sympathetic and Judges stop lawyers tearing witnesses apart in cases like
This now.

You
Will be cared for
At every step of the way.

Whatever you decide, I wish you healing and closure.

JorisBonson · 01/01/2021 17:16

The legal definition of rape is forcible insertion to the vagina, anus or mouth with a penis.

Really sorry that happened to you OP x

picklemewalnuts · 01/01/2021 17:28

It may help you feel better to write to him. He may have fooled himself into thinking it's ok- tell him in no uncertain terms that forcing you to give him oral sex is abusive, criminal and rape. That you loathe him and are disgusted by his behaviour, and think he should get therapy for his nasty abusive ways. That he needs to tread carefully if he still behaves like that as it's criminal and if women compared notes he could be in serious trouble. He may be self-centred and selfish enough to have failed to consider how appallingly he behaved.

I'd feel better after writing a letter like that. I'd probably get advice before sending it though.

Higgeldypiggeldy35 · 01/01/2021 17:29

I'm sorry you went through this. I think women are becoming more aware since this movement about what constitutes assault and where the blurred lines are and it's tricky. It definitely sounds like rape I'm sorry. When I was much younger the first time I slept with a bf (who I went on to live with for 3 years and he turned out to be a shit) I was drunk and I passed out half way through and woke up to him still pumping away. He was drunk too which is why I think I excused it but looking back that was really bad, he must have noticed I passed out. For some reason at the time I didn't think it was bad at the time but in hindsight I guess technically it was rape. Doesn't feel right to say that though because I stayed with him and I didn't complain at the time. But it is what it is. I hope you get some help and can move past this.

partyatthepalace · 01/01/2021 17:33

Yes it is.

So sorry OP.

Get some counselling sorted.

Changechangychange · 01/01/2021 17:33

my body wasn't violated in any way

He put his penis in your mouth! Of course your body was violated. This was definitely rape, legally and morally.

Sinful8 · 02/01/2021 07:52

It would come down to what you mean by "forced" i suspect.

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