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Deliveries to Northern Ireland

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WilsonMilson · 31/12/2020 08:58

Just a rant really.

Getting a bit fed up with companies who’ve decided to stop (temporarily or permanently - who knows) delivery to Northern Ireland, or who have limited the things they can deliver to NI.

Since the Brexit deal, so far this week I cannot order from M&S, Debenhams have stopped NI delivery and now Amazon won’t sell alcohol, perfumes or aftershaves for delivery in NI. And I cannot get a home office chair for love nor money to be delivered from any bloody where.

This is all I’ve seen so far. I’m sure there must be more as I’ve not really shopped much. It’s incredibly frustrating to be so disadvantaged comparing to the mainland.

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Tootsey11 · 31/12/2020 14:41

Just tried to pre order some plug plants for delivery in spring from a company in the UK. Wouldn't accept the address.

After doing a bit of searching I found small print stating that they would have to get a government plant expert to examine each parcel before they were sent out at a cost of £150 per parcel as we are now an EU country. This was not viable and therefore they are not delivering to Ni. Gutted as I've been a customer for years.

ProfessorSlocombe · 31/12/2020 14:47

@Tootsey11

Just tried to pre order some plug plants for delivery in spring from a company in the UK. Wouldn't accept the address.

After doing a bit of searching I found small print stating that they would have to get a government plant expert to examine each parcel before they were sent out at a cost of £150 per parcel as we are now an EU country. This was not viable and therefore they are not delivering to Ni. Gutted as I've been a customer for years.

Of course any suggestion that the government pays that cost (don't worry, they won't) would fall foul of state aid rules the UK agreed to.

It's not so much that you are in an EU country than the UK isn't. I imagine there are other non-UK sources for your plants ?

I work with people who have spent their lives importing and exporting - a conservative estimate would be combined centuries of experience. And they are pretty much starting from scratch with all of this.

Bearing in mind the UK will be permanently negotiating with the EU now, some of these problems could be addressed by the next iteration of agreements. Not that it will be any comfort to businesses that couldn't manage.

2021 is a very busy year for some.

ObliviouslyIgnorant · 31/12/2020 14:48

Which means that NI is outside the rUK as a trade destination. So you need border checks between the rUK and NI in order to ensure that NIs land border with an EU country (Ireland) complies with (a) international law and (b) the GFA itself.

What does 'rUK' stand for?

ObliviouslyIgnorant · 31/12/2020 14:52

I suppose it means now that really NI is part of the EU (which they did vote for to be fair), but are governed and funded by the UK. They're in a sort of no-man's land. It's quite a unique situation really. Obviously things will be new to them, so they will be annoyed. Things are going to be new to all of the EU too though, so if you can just accept your current position, it might be the easiest thing.

ProfessorSlocombe · 31/12/2020 14:54

@ObliviouslyIgnorant

Which means that NI is outside the rUK as a trade destination. So you need border checks between the rUK and NI in order to ensure that NIs land border with an EU country (Ireland) complies with (a) international law and (b) the GFA itself.

What does 'rUK' stand for?

in this context "remainder UK". England, Scotland and Wales - all of which now have a border between them and the island of Ireland.

As this thread shows, "mainland" is not universally accepted.

At least that's the style guide I'm working from.

ObliviouslyIgnorant · 31/12/2020 14:54

I suspect that people like the OP and others who have commented who quite liked being part of the UK are going to be most put-out.

I'd be a bit annoyed though that I won't really enjoy the luxury of being a full EU member, but also appear not to be a full UK member either.

YouBoughtMeAWall · 31/12/2020 14:55

Agreed OP! I order my pet prescriptions online (as cheaper than my Vet) and they emailed to say they were no longer delivering to NI. Very worrying tbh. Life is already expensive enough.

ObliviouslyIgnorant · 31/12/2020 14:58

There is still freedom of movement between Ireland and the Uk though, under the Common Travel Area or Ireland Agreement?
It's a bit of an anomaly.
I really think that Biden being elected scuppered a lot of Boris's plans.

ObliviouslyIgnorant · 31/12/2020 15:01

Tootsey

After doing a bit of searching I found small print stating that they would have to get a government plant expert to examine each parcel before they were sent out at a cost of £150 per parcel as we are now an EU country.
This is going to decimate that company so if they can't export to the EU? Yikes. I hope they don't depend on exports!

ObliviouslyIgnorant · 31/12/2020 15:02

Is there actually a summary of some sort of this 'deal'?

ObliviouslyIgnorant · 31/12/2020 15:04

I'm on a No-spending buzz at the moment so haven't encountered any glitches, but I've always ordered from companies inside and outside the UK. Are we going to be slapped with China not delivering to us now as no trade agreement? Or the US not delivering?

ObliviouslyIgnorant · 31/12/2020 15:08

We really should have signed some trade agreements before accepting this deal.

ObliviouslyIgnorant · 31/12/2020 15:10

Do we actually have any trade agreement in place yet? I heard murmurings of Singapore maybe in the past few days?

AwaAnBileYerHeid · 31/12/2020 15:38

OP, I know that Irish people had a way of getting deliveries from UK companies who didn't deliver to Republic as I have relatives there and sent them something once. I think it was done via a NI address which you paid a small fee for.

It's called 'parcel motel'. UK companies will deliver to Northern Ireland (as it is the UK) and then it'll get transferred down to Ireland.

However that's irrelevant. Companies have been refusing to deliver or have charged astronomical prices for years to deliver to NI or the highlands and islands of Scotland. Things are a bit up in the air atm with Brexit, maybe hold off for a bit. Or maybe order from the Irish website of the shop if there is one.

Havanananana · 31/12/2020 16:01

It is really not too difficult to understand.

After the Brexit referendum Johnson insisted that there would be no need for a border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland because there would be magical technical solutions available within weeks. The fact that these solutions did not exist anywhere else in the world (there are lots of borders where such a solution would be useful, such as between Turkey and the EU, where trucks can wait for days for clearance) was beyond his comprehension. Johnson thinks that just because he says something is possible, it will magically happen. The head of Brexit planning at HMRC got so fed up with telling him he was talking bollocks (she used slightly less profane language) that she eventually resigned.

In October 2019, Johnson promised the DUP that no Prime Minister would ever agree to there being a border in the Irish Sea - i.e. between Northern Ireland (NI) and the rest of the UK (rUK).

Then a week later he signed the 'oven ready' Withdrawal Agreement (WA) - which placed a border between NI and rUK.

Then he said that any businesses that were told to complete any Customs forms in order to transfer goods from rUK to NI (and in the opposite direction) could just chuck them in the bin.

Then it was pointed out to him that the WA did indeed create the Irish Sea border - so he ignored the issue for a while, before finally coming up with the idea that even though the WA was a legally-binding international agreement, he could break it if he wanted to 'in a very specific and limited way'.

But then Biden won the US election, and being a Democrat and of Irish ancestry, he had a special interest in the RoI/NI/rUK situation (the USA and particularly the Democrats being the negotiators and guarantors of the GFA). Biden told Johnson that if he messed around with any international agreements, he would no longer be seen as a credible partner to any future US-UK trade agreement. Johnson withdrew the offending legislation, attempting to frame it as a goodwill concession the the EU to help negotiations.

Now Johnson has finally signed the Brexit Deal, but he and his ministers still don't seem to know what they've signed. As someone else has pointed out, businesses have consulted their lawyers and HMRC and have been told that they will need to complete customs forms and in some cases, their shipments will be subject to veterinary and SPS checks (which all cost money - £100+ per package has been mentioned). Meanwhile Brandon Lewis (the MP who made the famous 'specific and limited' law-breaking statement) is again insisting that there is no border www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/parcel-delivery-charges-to-northern-ireland-should-not-rise-after-brexit-because-there-is-no-irish-sea-border-secretary-of-state-insists/ar-BB1clO4o?ocid=msedgdhp

Confused? You should be. Just wait until the reality of what else is hidden in Johnson's Great Brexit Deal begin to come to light.

[For those asking about shipments to other EU countries - yes, the same issue exists. In order to send a £70 commercial package to the EU, the British exporter will need to complete Customs forms, pay a handling fee to the carrier, and pay for certifications - which could add up to another £75 per package. Either the exporter absorbs the cost (which obviously they cannot do as they would make a whopping loss) or the EU customer pays the additional cost (which of course they won't do as it doubles the price of the product). The net result - the British exporter can no longer export to the EU, which is bad news for the owners and the staff if a large part of their customer base is about to be lost at midnight tonight.]

BubblyBarbara · 31/12/2020 16:19

NI is a third class citizen in the UK. Hardly any English people have ever been there and even fewer give a toss about it. They should join Ireland or go independent IMO

YouBoughtMeAWall · 31/12/2020 16:20

@BubblyBarbara

NI is a third class citizen in the UK. Hardly any English people have ever been there and even fewer give a toss about it. They should join Ireland or go independent IMO
Aye, just like that. Why didn’t we think of that? Hmm
Sparklesocks · 31/12/2020 16:21

It sounds really frustrating!

YouBoughtMeAWall · 31/12/2020 16:21

And BTW NI doesn’t need to “join Ireland”. It is already in Ireland.

Apollo3 · 31/12/2020 16:32

And BTW NI doesn’t need to “join Ireland”. It is already in Ireland

No, it literally isn't. Ireland is the name of the country that NI is categorically NOT in.

WhatTiggersDoBest · 31/12/2020 16:38

@Tootsey11

Just tried to pre order some plug plants for delivery in spring from a company in the UK. Wouldn't accept the address.

After doing a bit of searching I found small print stating that they would have to get a government plant expert to examine each parcel before they were sent out at a cost of £150 per parcel as we are now an EU country. This was not viable and therefore they are not delivering to Ni. Gutted as I've been a customer for years.

Bakker are still delivering to NI, just got some lovely plants from there!

Overall am so annoyed at the situation though, you really have to trawl to find who's delivering atm.

Tootsey11 · 31/12/2020 16:41

I still can't believe some adults don't know the difference between Ni and Ireland.

Back to the topic, wayfair seem to be still delivering to Ni if it helps Op.

I really really hope that someone somewhere gets these issues sorted or there's going to be a mighty lot of people pissed off.

ObliviouslyIgnorant · 31/12/2020 16:43

@Havanananana

Thank you for the most comprehensive and brief summary of the deal so far. As my username suggests, I prefer not to strain my brain by reading too much about anything. Wow. So do we have any clue what the deal consists of really? Are we obliviously marching into hell?

Tootsey11 · 31/12/2020 16:44

@WhatTiggersDoBest, thanks for that will take a look. Tried Thompson and Morgan and they won't deliver either.

ObliviouslyIgnorant · 31/12/2020 16:49

@YouBoughtMeAWall

And BTW NI doesn’t need to “join Ireland”. It is already in Ireland.
Let's not start a war again Grin

While NI is on the island of Ireland, some of the people see themselves as belonging to the UK.

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