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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask - if you suddenly found you could apply for an EU passport, would you apply and would you move?

152 replies

Peasbewithyou · 28/12/2020 08:57

I am British but have found out that I am likely eligible for an EU (Italian) passport (due to Italian ancestry) and therefore my children will also be eligible.

Before BREXIT I hadn’t really thought about it but last night I was idly wondering whether I should actually apply for it and if we could move. I quite like the idea of a big adventure. I didn’t grow up in the UK and also loved abroad as a young adult. I loved living abroad as a kid. I learnt a new language (sadly not Italian) and I think got a bit of a different perspective on the world.

But of course as an adult with a mortgage and kids and a career it’s all a bit of a different kettle of fish! I suspect it will probably be much too difficult to contemplate!

So, I’m curious to hear what others would do!

YABU - no I would stay put
YANBU - Bye! I’m off as soon as the passport hits the doormat.

OP posts:
WanderingMilly · 28/12/2020 10:03

No I wouldn't. I'm not European and don't want to be, I'm English.
However, if Scotland gained independence I might possibly consider emigrating there....

Stego · 28/12/2020 10:06

@Hopeisnotastrategy Thank you, that's actually pretty useful to know (Although DH still tells me he's going to make me stand in the 'Brexit queue' at the airport for the lols, clearly it doesn't matter that I didn't vote for it Grin)

Backbee · 28/12/2020 10:06

No, I have had no desire to live in Europe before now, and don't suddenly feel inspired due to Brexit. However, if you can get them then you may as well in case you do at some point.

Biscuitsanddoombar · 28/12/2020 10:11

Looking into getting an Irish passport through grandparent connections

If I could persuade DH I’d be off to Portugal probably Porto

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 28/12/2020 10:15

I would apply for the passport, at least.

Wouldn’t move f/t atm because so much of my life is here but if you can have both passports, why not?

MarshaBradyo · 28/12/2020 10:16

I wouldn’t but it might be right for you

MarshaBradyo · 28/12/2020 10:17

You could still get the passports though

DuzzyFuck · 28/12/2020 10:17

DP is an EU citizen and too right I'll be making sure any future kids have both passports, and are brought up bilingual.

If it continues to be a shitshow for the UK we may even consider moving to his home country, although I'd have to pull myself together and learn the language of course!

Cavagirl · 28/12/2020 10:18

@Mydogisagentleman I'm in a similar position to you (I'm the one with the dual nationalality) although haven't read much on the rules. When you say moving to Spain - retiring or to work? Does your DH nationality allow you extra rights to be able to work/live in Spain?

AnnaMagnani · 28/12/2020 10:20

Yes apply, no to move.

MajorBumsore · 28/12/2020 10:22

You might find this useful OP

Securing Italian Citizenship by Descent (Jure Sanguinis)

Jure Sanguinis, also known as citizenship by descent (by blood), is one of the fastest and easiest ways to obtain Italian citizenship. There is no limit to the number of descendants who can claim Italian heritage under their paternal or maternal line.

When understanding how to become an Italian citizen through ancestry, you must first determine if you are eligible based on your ancestry as there are clear laws you must fall within in order to qualify. Individuals born in any country where citizenship is granted by birth, can apply for recognition of their Italian bloodline if at the time of their birth, their mother or father was an Italian citizen, if their paternal or maternal grandfather was an Italian citizen, or if their paternal or maternal great-grand father was a citizen at the time of their birth.

To obtain Italian citizenship through your bloodline, you’ll have to locate and obtain certified copies of the required official documents in your family member’s home town or city and complete the proper application process through your local Italian consulate or embassy to claim citizenship. If you're looking for how to become an Italian citizen by blood then this is your path. The length of time to complete this process can range from about three months to three years depending on the complexities of your case and the wait time at your local Italian consulate.

Pros: If you're seeking how to claim Italian citizenship through descent, it is a one-time process that will automatically pass down from generation to generation.

Cons: If your Italian relative was a woman born before 1/1/1948 citizenship can only be transferred to children born after that date. Also, your relative cannot have become a naturalized citizen in any other country before your birth.

Mintjulia · 28/12/2020 10:25

No. I had a German grandmother and could apply, but I can't claim to be German just because of Brexit. I'm not.

I like living in the uk, my whole life is here. I've lived in Canada and Paris for work but I still prefer the UK.

Rockbird · 28/12/2020 10:27

I've had an Irish passport most of my life, my British passport lapsed years ago and I never renewed it. My dds are entitled but I just haven't got round to it. Will be doing that ASAP (like the rest of the UK! Wink).

I'm not ruling out a move back to Ireland in the future but I have no immediate plans, we're all happy here.

annevonkleve · 28/12/2020 10:30

I probably wouldn't move to an EU country now, although if something happened to DH I might. Copenhagen would be a great place to live.

I would definitely encourage ds to apply for an EU passport if he could, though. My mum and uncle qualify for an Irish one, but ds and I are too far down the chain. I have a female originally British friend who is now a German citizen and not married so I have joked about marrying her :)

OrigamiOwl · 28/12/2020 10:36

I would apply for the passport. I wouldn't necessarily upsticks and move straight away tho.

Hoppinggreen · 28/12/2020 10:38

We found out last year that DH and the DC could get dual nationality with another EU nation so we sorted it out. Unfortunately I can’t unless I live there for 3 years.
We do plan to retire to a different EU country but we are not sure how that will work for me yet but it’s over 10 years away

moremoormore · 28/12/2020 10:42

I am in the process of applying for an Austrian one as my grandmother had to leave in WW2.

Applying for my kids as well.

One day we hope to live abroad.

It will mean that they can take advantage of things like Eurasmus for education .

Also, the EU queues at airports are going to be much shorter!

AvonCallingBarksdale · 28/12/2020 10:46

Yes - DH, DS and DD were able to get German passports due to DH ancestry. We’re not planning to move but it gives the DC chances and opportunities and keeps more doors open for them, thank goodness. They now all have dual citizenship. However if you apply after 31/12/20 they would have had to give up their British citizenship which we wouldn’t have done. I don’t think...

mindutopia · 28/12/2020 10:46

I have dual nationality already (my home country and UK), so I probably wouldn't. But if you only have one, yes, I would consider it, assuming you look into the tax and other financial implications. I would imagine you wouldn't have these issues with an EU passport, but there are countries where this is an issue. For me, dual nationality means I have a tax liability in 2 countries. I refuse to pay taxes in my home country and as I will never really go back, there's not much they can do about it anyway (it doesn't affect anything about my UK citizenship or taxes). But it's more of just a pain in the backside to worry about. I would get rid of my other citizenship if it was easy to do. I would check there are no issues with state pension or other state benefits created by the dual nationality, though I wouldn't think there would be with an Italian passport.

101namesforme · 28/12/2020 10:48

[quote Hopeisnotastrategy]@Iliketeaagain and @Stego

Look at the EU rules re travelling with an EU spouse, you may find them useful eg with regard to the 90 day rule.[/quote]
@Hopeisnotastrategy

This is part of the reason for me getting an EU passport even though DH and nearly adult DC cannot. But what I have heard is anecdotal from an EU friend who said DH would have the same rights as me as long as he was with me.

Do you have any links to where I would find the actual law / rules about this? I don’t know where to start looking! Thank you Smile

MaitlandGirl · 28/12/2020 10:53

I’m in the process of getting my Irish passport (maternal grandparents were Irish) so I’ll have 3 (British, Irish and Australian).

Sadly my children are too far down the line (and all adults now) but at least my wife will benefit from my Irish passport.

lurker101 · 28/12/2020 10:53

@101namesforme here’s the details europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/entry-exit/non-eu-family/

Pugdogmom · 28/12/2020 10:54

I didn't realise till my Dad passed away that I am actually an Irish citizen. 🙈. Applying for passport and getting my youngest DD on register of foreign births , as she plans to live in Italy. Sadly can't get DH on it, unless we live in Ireland for 3 years and my life is here. I won't be reapplying for my British passport when it expires. Should have done it in 2016.

42isthemeaning · 28/12/2020 10:55

I would love to. My dm's stepfather was Polish but I don't think I would qualify for a Polish passport unless he'd been her father. Pity. My cousin could claim though! Lucky him.

LagunaBubbles · 28/12/2020 10:55

I'm in Scotland. I'm holding out for independence and then possibly re joining the EU.