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To think that tier 2 will only work if

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maddening · 24/12/2020 22:09

The pubs and restaurants do not allow mixed households indoors and those in higher tiers to dine and drink there.

Unfortunately the only way for restaurants and pubs to do this is to exlcude support bubbles from dining indoors so they can check ID, however otherwise there is no other way Imo. And support bubbles can still meet at home and dine outside.

I know so many people that have openly said that they have just declared a support bubble and people from tier 3 coming to oue tier 2 area, and now we are going to tier 3.

You can't stop mixing in private homes, but they should expect pubs to take some responsibility and simplify the task of doing so.

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TeenageMutantNinjaCovid · 24/12/2020 22:18

Have you got any evidence that they are not?

Our certainly is- as that is the requirement.

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maddening · 25/12/2020 00:30

How are you verifying support bubbles? Are you asking for ID to verify addresses? Or. Is it the glib question "are in in the same. Household or support bubble".

It is bit possible to verify a support bubble and pubs in a town near us closed after police visits on that basis, the police indicated that they had the responsibility to verify but it is not possible to do so when people say they are a support bubble.

On top of that several friends and acquaintances are dining inside in mixed groups, this is a verbal confirmation so I have not gathered this as "evidence" per se.

And then there is tier 3 people coming and dining, I know and work with people in tier 3 and many have popped over for meals. My dsis lives in a lively tier 2 town in the border of tier 3 and the bars and restaurants have been packed, indoors with obviously mixed groups coming over from.tier 3. And since no one is asking for.addresses or checking that they are not From a higher tier this is going unchecked.

It is one thing to take your personal risk and mix across tiers and households, it is another thing taking that to a public indoor location and risking others.

I get that hospitality has been hard hit, but they are doing neither themselves or their community any good by enabling cross tier and household indoor mixing and ending up being closed in a higher tier.

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ilovesooty · 25/12/2020 00:45

I've heard about someone living in tier 3 who attended a wedding in tier 2 at the weekend. Afterwards the party went to a local pub / hotel , had a meal and drinks, then she stayed over. I despair.

Thisseatisnotavailable · 25/12/2020 00:52

So many people lie. I work in hospitality, we're closed now as in Tier 4 but definitely when we were in Tier 2, I would guess about 60%+ of people were not the same household or bubble, but as long as they say they are we have no way to check. And don't get me started on the ridiculous business lunch loophole, they have to be socially distanced in their workplace but then 6 of them can come and sit round a table together in the pub for a couple of hours.

pumpkinpie01 · 25/12/2020 00:55

Tier 2 here , our local Wetherspoons is operating as normal , friends dining together no questions asked

BrokenCrown · 25/12/2020 01:13

My friend has a pub in tier 2 area surrounded by tier 4 and is actually closing voluntarily to avoid this happening (people visiting from tier 4 areas) he's said it's not worth the risk to his regulars, himself or family

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maddening · 25/12/2020 09:32

I just think they need to make it simple to police, if you are not in the same household you eat outside. Simple to check and simple to police. No loopholes for business lunches and no support bubbles eating indoors in pubs and restaurants.

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Orf1abc · 25/12/2020 09:38

It's not for pubs to police anything, the staff aren't there to take abuse from disgruntled customers.

You come across as very selfish, wanting to exclude support bubbles because it doesn't affect you.

Plus what about people with no ID? If a couple live together then the bills might only name one of them. Or faking it so they claim to be someone else who does live in the same household.

All in all, a self centred stupid idea.

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maddening · 25/12/2020 12:00

Pubs are expected to.ensure people are of age and to manage their customers in any case, if they can't they are in the wrong business. Simply checking ID is hardly a huge ask.

As for support bubbles, they can eat outside like the rest of us, or at home indoors which others cannot do.

If pubs are not prepared to take measures then don't whine about closures in tier 3 or 4 when they have enabled the selfish behaviour of arseholes flouting the rules.

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Amanduh · 25/12/2020 12:09

Our pubs and restaurants are absolutely FULL of people quite clearly not in the same household. It’s not the support bubbles breaking the rules, it’s groups of adults and teenagers.

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maddening · 25/12/2020 12:13

No, it is not the support bubbles ramming the pubs, it is the fact that pubs cannot verify a support bubble that means people can easily circumnavigate the rules. Some pubs are closing as they don't want to risk their license due to this.

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RichardMarxisinnocent · 25/12/2020 12:24

@maddening

No, it is not the support bubbles ramming the pubs, it is the fact that pubs cannot verify a support bubble that means people can easily circumnavigate the rules. Some pubs are closing as they don't want to risk their license due to this.
They can verify my support bubble, I am happy to take along evidence of my discounted council tax. Someone with a child under 1 could show a copy of the child's birth certificate. An adult who is a carer for a disabled adult may well have something to show as evidence of that.

I agree it's a selfish idea. It's already shit enough living alone during this, now you want to ban my support bubble from doing something that makes life a little bit more normal and bearable and which people who live with someone are able to do (moot point for me as from Boxing day going into tier 4, but I would want tier 2 support bubbles to be able to continue eating out together)

RichardMarxisinnocent · 25/12/2020 12:27

Actually, given that support support bubbles can only be from two addresses, surely just banning any group which show ID from more than two addresses would reduce the number of "pretend" support bubbles? People from 3 or more different addresses cannot by definition be one support bubble.

Mumofsend · 25/12/2020 12:28

I could verify my entitlement to a support bubble in several ways. I'm sure most can.

Its not fair for those of us in tier 2 to be subjected to tier 3 and 4 descending on us

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maddening · 25/12/2020 12:36

Perhaps 2 household Ids would work as well as refusing people from tier 3 and 4. But there are plenty of people just stating support bubble when this is not true, just like my friend casually talking about meeting up with a friend in a pub "we just said we were in a support bubble, they can't prove we aren't".

A support bubble would not be stopped from sitting outside, I have had a few meals sat outside now, it was better than nothing, but now we are going to tier 3 so we can't even do that now, nor can the support bubbles. Unfortunately without some sort of official bubble documentation (which would be ridiculous) this allows people to really take the piss.

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Snally82 · 25/12/2020 13:05

We are tier and have had our ID checked to address verification. Very thorough.

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