MILs massive Christmas bubble...

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10 (at least)

Yep that's 10 households totalling 25 people! And we don't even know how many more considering the people in the 10 households also don't give a shit about the rules and will likely be meeting others.

Would have really liked to see MIL this Christmas and the kids were really excited to see her but her bubble is just too big :( she won't ever change either as she's been like this since the first lockdown, she doesn't really care about the rules at all and she's one of the most vulnerable with COPD and asthma 😣

AIBU to think there's many many more people like this who don't give a crap about the rules? Can't just be MIL breaking the rules in such an extreme way?

@CoffeeWithMyOxygen

*Il sign a declaration if I catch covid from mixing this Christmas and seeing family ...

but I will only do it when the NHS stops treating alcohol/smoking/obese related issues/cancer*

Hang on @Charlie63849 how is CANCER self-inflicted?

So lung cancer from smoking 40 a day for years isn’t self inflicted?

I clearly put smoking in the sentence before it.

Perhaps I have particularly compliant friends and family but I don’t know anyone in real life who isn’t following the rules pretty closely. I wouldn’t know that people like OP’s MIL exist if it weren’t for MN.

@Bookworming

but I will only do it when the NHS stops treating alcohol/smoking/obese related issues/cancer.

WOW!

It’s all self inflicted. Just like people going out and seeing family around Xmas for covid.

@Charlie63849 I’ll spell this out in nice easy words for you.

Developing cancer, cirrhosis of the liver or a fractured femur from skiing does not place the health of anyone else at risk. You can’t catch them.

So they don’t risk infecting other members of their families or their other contacts.

So rocking up at A&E doesn’t place hardworking and exhausted nhs staff of falling severely ill. Of them potentially infecting other patients (perhaps one with cancer or awaiting a transplant).

Can you see the difference?

Paddington Station? Last night? Bournemouth Beach, earlier this summer?
I have two children, in Tier 4. One is a teacher, the other a paramedic. My 3rd is film crew, and gets tested daily. Sadly, my other children have not yet been afforded that luxury. I now will not be seeing any of them. Hey Ho! Ho! Ho!

Unfortunately, there are quite a few people like this, who think the rules shouldn't apply to them, and/or are covid deniers.

Shame on the idiots who decide to attend these 'gatherings' with more than 7 or 8 people. And 10 households? What a twat.

It's because of people like this that the country is in the state it's in, and most people are having Christmas cancelled. I would say I hope they all get covid, but I suppose that would be mean and spiteful. So I won't say it.......

[quote MatildaTheCat]@Charlie63849 I’ll spell this out in nice easy words for you.

Developing cancer, cirrhosis of the liver or a fractured femur from skiing does not place the health of anyone else at risk. You can’t catch them.

So they don’t risk infecting other members of their families or their other contacts.

So rocking up at A&E doesn’t place hardworking and exhausted nhs staff of falling severely ill. Of them potentially infecting other patients (perhaps one with cancer or awaiting a transplant).

Can you see the difference?[/quote]
I’m not talking about the spread of Covid though am I...

I’m talking about why should anyone refuse treatment for covid because it’s self inflicted when lots of issues are self inflicted and they all get treatment.

@TragedyHands

How many have actually died from this, I mean the virus alone, not how they report it. It was 300 and something a couple of weeks ago. Not changing plans for nothing worse than a cold.

Oh FFS.

I DO hope you DON'T get covid dear!

I'm wondering if it's the older generation?

OP for god's sake don't be ridiculous. I'm the older generation and I keep to the rules, as does everyone I know bashing us like you.

The ageism on MN is getting ridiculous.

No, you have a selfish MIL. End of.

I can't tell you how many people I know of the 'older generation' who are doing what they should so knock it off with this 'older generation' crap.

Some people’s bubbles are more like foam.

Our neighbour is 90. Members of her family, mainly grand children coming to ask for money, will be the death of her.

Her son, who live with her following his earlier marriage breakdown, is often off out with his new girlfriend and her family.

It’s hard to know what to say, how hard to say it and to who.

What these people also don’t realise. Many say oh. I’ll take the risk

But what if they give it to me because they caught it then went food shopping and spread it to 25 people who didn’t know they’d been in a big group.

That’s what they forget. That if they are meeting all of those people. Then if none of those people go anywhere for 14 days. It’s not so bad. Just hope that if they get sick and need a hospital. That it isn’t already over run.

But what if one of those 10 households. Then go somewhere and give it to someone who is extremely vulnerable. My 5 yr old for example? Then what?

A bubble of 10 households = 25 people 😳 Yikes! Is your MIL fatalistic? Does she think the warnings about the virus are all exaggerated? I don't blame you for not wanting to see her, it's too risky. Her and her bubble are potentially a super spreader group. I don't think it's an age thing: some people in all age groups have decided, for whatever reason, to ignore the warnings and rules.

To paraphrase Churchill - " ....the bravery of the few saved so many."

In this instance " the stupidity and selfishness of the few endanger many."

My downstairs neighbours are the only ones I know not sticking to the rules, most people I know are. I agree you can't see them and you should explain why. A shame but her actions have consequences . She's done well to avoid it if that's how she's been living!

This is why the rules are so strict, it's to make up for the stupid selfish people like your ILs. They need most people to be very careful to make up for the ones that don't give a shit.

That's not a bubble that's an illegal gathering that she's risking a big fine for if caught.

You only need someone to be annoyed about all the cars parked outside her house to put two and two together and the police will be on her doorstep.

How many have actually died from this, I mean the virus alone, not how they report it

Well there's been over 60 000 excess deaths this year, compared to the five year average, so even playing the 'my mate's sister's uncle had covid, recovered and then got hit by a bus' card doesn't trump the fact that it's somewhere in this ballpark.

@TragedyHands

How many have actually died from this, I mean the virus alone, not how they report it. It was 300 and something a couple of weeks ago. Not changing plans for nothing worse than a cold.

Are you intellectually defective?

That’s not a bubble 😂

My in-laws are the same. x6 households in tier 4 area, with elderly relatives. A few of those people are key workers and are out mixing with the general public over the festive period.

I absolutely refuse to go and be a part of that and I’ve been made out to be the one being silly and ruining Christmas

That's ridiculous, personally I would report such large numbers.

You could casually ask her if she has any insurance in case anyone infected due to this avoidable party decides to sue her?
Maybe suggest she drafts some disclaimer forms absolving her from any responsibility for loss of life, lung function or earnings arising from any infection passed on at this event...

"I'm wondering if it's the older generation?"
According to my elderly parents they are sick of being nannied and forced to have quantity over quality of life. Would rather see people and live now, and maybe die a bit quicker than be isolated and sad for longer.

Haha "nothing worse than a cold". I had "mild" covid, and if it was akin to a cold then what type of colds are other people getting?! I've had flu and would even take that over the covid symptoms, any day.

YANBU. Your MiL and the other guests (assuming they are aware of the plans) are being incredibly selfish.

The only person we are seeing over Christmas is MiL and that's because she has alzheimer's and has been bubbled with us from the start due to needing support in her daily life.

I would love to have my parents but I can't. I am a secondary teacher and my mum is a senior carer in a nursing home. Neither of us would risk eachother, my students or the people my mum cares for. We'll video call instead.

My sister and Aunt are really bad for not following the rules. We are tier 3 and since June they have been meeting every week, in my Aunt's home or going into town together my Aunt has some health conditions so you would think she would be careful! They are in the local town today - the day before Christmas eve when it's crazy busy.

I did 90% of my shopping online and the last of my food shop early Mon morning to avoid crowds.

Anyhow, this has turned into a rant! Stick to your guns OP.

Oh no, it's not the older generation, as some of my family are all very serious about it, then make it up as they go along 🤦‍♀️