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To think it's time to scrap 100% attendance awards

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ParadiseLaundry · 18/12/2020 16:31

DS came home from school today with a certificate for 100% attendance this term.

This surprised me as his school is not one that uses reward/punishment charts or has 'star of the week' etc.

What does it actually achieve? You can't help it if you are ill, and if you are you should make sure you stay away from others. It isn't really an 'achievement' to not get ill and it's definitely not an achievement to get ill and then go into work/school and spread it around. Surely COVID has highlighted this?

Aibu to think it's time they scrapped this, particularly in schools.

OP posts:
TicTacTwo · 19/12/2020 13:04

It's akin to an award for not seeing a GP or going to hospital for a year which is equally ridiculous.

InTheDrunkTank · 19/12/2020 13:04

@Sirzy

And what do they do to help those children who have poor attendance.

Does the certificate help the child who is a carer for their parent?

Does it help the child who has medical conditions?

Does it help the child from a chaotic house who has nobody to wake them up?

It’s a sticking plaster approach which does absolutely nothing for the young people who actually need proper support to access education

Bang on! It rewards the kids that were always going to have good attendance anyway and doesn't help those who need it.
Saltn · 19/12/2020 13:06

Agree with you OP. They should be scrapped along with 'pen licenses' which my DS who has dyslexia and dyspraxia never got!

Saltn · 19/12/2020 13:07

Quite laughable that attendance would if such importance to Ofsted in the midst of a pandemic.

Noconceptofnormal · 19/12/2020 13:23

I'm really surprised apparently cash-strapped state schools can afford to employ an 'attendance officer'...? No offence to the individual in this role but surely spending that money on a teacher / TAs would be money better spent?

And why do these cash strapped school spend money on treat days for the lucky healthy kids rather than equipment (or on additional help for the kids in chaotic homes who don't attend school)?

And what is a 'pen licence'?

MitziK · 19/12/2020 13:40

@Noconceptofnormal

I'm really surprised apparently cash-strapped state schools can afford to employ an 'attendance officer'...? No offence to the individual in this role but surely spending that money on a teacher / TAs would be money better spent?

And why do these cash strapped school spend money on treat days for the lucky healthy kids rather than equipment (or on additional help for the kids in chaotic homes who don't attend school)?

And what is a 'pen licence'?

Dealing with attendance takes a huge amount of time. Time that teachers/form tutors simply don't have. Where does a teacher have time to email and keep calling a parent because their child hasn't appeared in school?

Attendance is also extremely closely linked to SENDCO provision and Safeguarding, as it needs somebody able to pick up patterns not just for one child, but families, friends in different classes, the tone of emails, calls or voicemails, evasive language, the reasons given for absence, the refusal for somebody to engage and give reasons, people contradicting themselves, etc. Are the parents contradicting one another? Is the 'accident' coinciding with the issue of less than stellar test results?

And it needs to be done not just for morning registration, it needs to be done for every lesson in the day, tracking down where else a kid could be legitimately, if they've used a legitimate reason but are taking the piss, are they absent just when a child suspected of using drugs previously happens to have gone to the toilet and not come back for 25 minutes, if there's a risk of self harm or suicidal ideation/intent, etc, etc. Is the kid frequently disappearing from lessons and turning up at medical, behaving strangely or locking themselves in a toilet?

A teacher or a TA is useful to maybe 6 classes in a day and a form group. Somebody working on attendance is useful to all 1800 kids, as they are making sure that each child has arrived in school safely or is, hopefully, safe at home - and could be putting another couple of pieces of a puzzle together to show that they are not safe.

To give potentially emotive examples, Milly Dowler's absence from was not acted upon, so her parents thought she was safe at school. A mother and child have been found to be dead at home only after some days had passed.

Monitoring Attendance more than just waiting for a scribbled note after a week is a fundamental safeguarding responsibility. And that's why it's a real job with real importance, just as a teacher or TA's is.

nokidshere · 19/12/2020 13:45

Attendance officers are totally necessary but awards for attendance are not. The children usually have no control at all as to whether they are late for school or even there at all. They should be scrapped.

Sirzy · 19/12/2020 13:49

Attendance officers do a lot more to help families who need it than a certificate ever will!

NiceGerbil · 19/12/2020 13:52

Have always hated these as they discriminate against children with long term or chronic conditions. Which is surely disability discrimination.

And I'm baffled that they are still doing them. When children are being told not to come into school if there's a covid suspicion in their bubble.

Mine have both had at least 2 weeks at home this term due to being told not to come in! So it's just silly isn't it?

Now they've got the online sorted I suppose they count that? But on the day our internet went down, that would mean non attendance... So this now penalises children who may not have decent access to a device/ stable internet etc? So may penalise children living in difficult circs. Yay?

You can have a certificate for not being disabled or having a shit family life. Wonderful idea.

RaraRachael · 19/12/2020 13:58

So glad we don't have shite like 100% attendance certificates in any schools I know. What is the point of them, I'm sure they encourage parents to send kids to school when they should have been kept at home Hmm

Oblomov20 · 19/12/2020 14:04

I disagree with most. I'm fine about them. Yes some can't get it if they have underlying issues. There's Plenty of other treats/rewards, teacher praise notes etc children can get. Why shouldn't full attendance be celebrated. It's rare. And thus those that do should he congratulated.

BadTattoosAndSmellLikeBooze · 19/12/2020 14:08

My kids have never got an attendance award. Most kids don’t as it’s very normal for kids to get sick, very rare that a child genuinely goes a whole year without needing a few days off. My kids knew they were a load of bollocks from a young age. When my kids were younger we had a couple of letters about attendance as they were in reception and had one bug after another. Filed straight in the recycling. I’ve got no time for procedures that don’t take into account real life. I’ve seen kids being sent to school after being sick on the way to school and then when they receive 100% attendance award, the parents sit on the sides beaming like their child has graduated University. Confused

AIMD · 19/12/2020 14:14

@Oblomov20

I disagree with most. I'm fine about them. Yes some can't get it if they have underlying issues. There's Plenty of other treats/rewards, teacher praise notes etc children can get. Why shouldn't full attendance be celebrated. It's rare. And thus those that do should he congratulated.
Why shouldn’t it be celebrated?

Because 100% attendance isn’t a Lyn achievement or a sign of effort. It’s a sign of luck or of a child going to school at times they should have stayed home.

AIMD · 19/12/2020 14:15

@Sirzy can I ask what attendance officers do in your area. It’s a genuine question because I genuinely don’t know what their role involves.

Oblomov20 · 19/12/2020 14:18

"or of a child going to school at times they should have stayed home."

Disagree.
That's an assumption.
Are you assuming the child was in fact unwell and competitive parent made them go?

I know many children who (covid aside) get every bug going. I also know many children who are just never ill. Parent doesn't encourage them/ make them go, and hey just go.

I know 2 friends who are just never ill. Haven't had a day off sick in years.

InTheDrunkTank · 19/12/2020 14:19

I absolutely agree that attendance is very important and it definitely makes sense to have specifically trained staff members with the time and resources to actually improve attendance of the students who are struggling to access as much school as they should.

Fizbosshoes · 19/12/2020 14:20

YADNBU.
I thought they were stupid in previous years but with covid and isolation rules its freaking ridiculous (and surely a waste of teachers valuable time to tot up and work out which form/child has "won" and write certificates? Hmm)

InTheDrunkTank · 19/12/2020 14:21

@Oblomov20

No one is saying that every child with good attendance is going in when they shouldn't be but clearly some children are. This is a bad thing. If a child never gets ill they don't need to be rewarded for that. Likewise if a child gets every cold going how is that their fault?

Either attendance awards motivate people to attend school - in which case some kids will go in when they shouldn't or they don't have any impact in which case they're completely pointless as well as being harmful.

Sirzy · 19/12/2020 14:22

@Oblomov20

I disagree with most. I'm fine about them. Yes some can't get it if they have underlying issues. There's Plenty of other treats/rewards, teacher praise notes etc children can get. Why shouldn't full attendance be celebrated. It's rare. And thus those that do should he congratulated.
“Congratulations for not being disabled”

“Congratulations for living in a supportive house”

“Congratulations for not getting ill”

Fizbosshoes · 19/12/2020 14:23

My DS had 100% attendance one year - it was just (bad) luck that he seemed to get sick every school holidays instead of term time!
I think some parents do send in children who might well benefit from being at home but I think a lot of that is to do with work/childcare issues rather than aiming for a pointless certificate!

AIMD · 19/12/2020 14:27

@Oblomov20

"or of a child going to school at times they should have stayed home."

Disagree.
That's an assumption.
Are you assuming the child was in fact unwell and competitive parent made them go?

I know many children who (covid aside) get every bug going. I also know many children who are just never ill. Parent doesn't encourage them/ make them go, and hey just go.

I know 2 friends who are just never ill. Haven't had a day off sick in years.

What are you on about? What assumption did I make? I said 100% attendance was a sign of luck or a child going in when unwell.

If you know people that never get ill then that falls in the luck category surely?

Sirzy · 19/12/2020 14:27

[quote AIMD]@Sirzy can I ask what attendance officers do in your area. It’s a genuine question because I genuinely don’t know what their role involves.[/quote]
They monitor attendances, contact the parents of those not in school when school haven’t been informed.

they look for patterns in non attendance as this can help identity problems at home or in school.

They work with families and other agencies to tackle problems which are barriers to school attendance and as such accessing education

AIMD · 19/12/2020 14:31

Thanks for replying @Sirzy

I asked because I hear lots of people talking about being referred to EWO but never heard anything about what they actually do.

When I was a social worker the EWO didn’t do much beyond send letters and basic things. However the local authority I worked in was pretty awful and I guessed that other areas EWO probably did more. The hone education role was the same ....we had no one but in other areas I heard of them doing lots.

MeowMeowLikeACow · 19/12/2020 14:31

YANBU

In our school we get a half termly report with a traffic light system (green good, amber in the middle, red bad) and a list of things they get awarded a colour for, including attendance, homework, effort in class etc.

DS normally gets all green, but this year he has amber for attendance.

He missed two days at the start of term when his mild asthma flaired up, meaning that he was coughing consistently, and we had to get him tested. He was absolutely fine otherwise, and any other year I would have happily sent him in with his inhaler and that would be it.

So it seems ridiculous he's been marked down for something completely out of our control.

Miseryl · 19/12/2020 14:36

At my son's high school, any time missed due to COVID illness/isolating isn't counted towards their attendance rate. My son still got 100% despite missing a week and a half self isolating.

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