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To remind you that the government NOT schools are letting down parents.

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BelleSausage · 14/12/2020 20:21

This really. We’ve all talked about it endlessly. Teachers on MN predicted this exact outcome (the education system in parts of the country falls over because of the number of staff and kids isolating and ill) but the government went ahead with no significant measure to mitigate disruption in schools.

Where is the plan to actually make it feasible to continue to educate kids and provide learning for vulnerable students? Where are the school laptops we were promised? Where is the back up childcare system to help working parents?

That’s right- no where. Any idiot with half a brain could have seen this coming. Why is the DfE doing nothing but repeating ‘schools are COIVD secure’ over and over like a broken bloody record?

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CallmeAngelGabriel · 14/12/2020 22:35

@caringcarer

One teacher told my son's class she would be staying home this week and teaching from home as she is worried about not being able to see her parents at Xmas. She said to whole class of students that many teachers were worried about becoming ill over Xmas and wanted to see their elderly parents so had to do this. I have rang his school and tried to spoke to head about this. She rang me back later and she did not deny it and said it was "unfortunate" teacher told class that. I have told Head I shall be taking this complaint to the Chair of Governors. I have checked this with one of my sons friends who also says teacher told them that. It is not a lie.
Complete and utter nonsense.
RMRM · 14/12/2020 22:38

I don't blame any teachers or teaching staff for this situation. I do blame this fucking useless government and DfE.

Schehezarade · 14/12/2020 22:47

Are you in the SE?
People could volunteer to help in primaries but I don't spose the unions will let them.

jeaux90 · 14/12/2020 22:53

I'm not angry, I'm glad my DD11 is at school. They've worked really hard to make it as safe as possible and have had no cases since being back.

Also I'm a single mum and there is no way I can do my job if she isn't at school.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 14/12/2020 23:22

@Schehezarade

Are you in the SE? People could volunteer to help in primaries but I don't spose the unions will let them.
Yeah, all that pesky paperwork like safeguarding, qualified teach status and DBS etc is really only done at the behest of awkward unions and really unnecessary anyway.

My kid's primary school have done an excellent job and we've not had a case yet which is amazing. We've been very lucky.

We've still not had the laptops we were promised. Which now is only one laptop, as they revised us down, and told us we didn't need the amount we'd asked for, which was exactly the right amount for households without devices. So if we do close... Well, thanks, DfE.

jacks11 · 14/12/2020 23:54

Government not covering themselves with glory at all. Seems chaotic and plans poorly communicated, lots of last minute decisions. Not an edifying spectacle at all. However, I think that some schools/teachers haven’t done so well either TBH. I have been fairly horrified by some of the hyperbole from the teaching unions, for example.

There was a stark issue in the variance in quality of provision between schools during lockdown. Many schools and teachers failed their pupils miserably, whilst others went above and beyond. For example, my friends eldest is in a composite class- teacher sent home approx 10 sheets of work which were all at the stage for the youngest children in the class. When my friend questioned it- thinking her DC must have picked up the wrong pack- was told “no, that’s it- too hard to differentiate”. Those worksheets were to last nearly 4 weeks. Work thereafter took max 1 hour daily. Teacher virtually uncontactable and school utterly disinterested. My friend was astounded to find the sheets had been downloaded from Twinkl. So not even like the teacher had been required to put in effort to identify resources, so differentiated work should have been a doddle. That was one of the worst examples, but locally there have been many, That is not down to government- that is down to the school and the individual teacher. I know it wasn’t easy for any of us, many had our work lives turned upside down. By contrast, DC’s school had a plan up and running within days, comprehensive provision and regular tutor time. I was really impressed.

My colleagues DC’s school spends half the week doing extra outdoor gym lessons (which seem loosely supervised, at best), extra “golden time” and watching a film every other afternoon- total teaching time is 2.5 hours per day by the time breaks (which have been extended) and lunch taken into account. They have not caught up, education seems to have taken a back seat, but neither class teacher or headmistress are concerned. They have not had significant numbers of pupils or staff off due to being infected/isolating, or any such mitigating circumstances. I think that school has let it’s pupils down. Our DC’s schools have, by contrast, been operating almost normally in terms of education. I think this highlights that some schools and teachers have pulled out all the stops and put children first, whilst others have been far less industrious and competent.

As I said earlier, I do think there has been a lot of hyperbole re risks to teachers- they aren’t even close to being at the highest risk by occupation (as per our local date, maybe it is different elsewhere)- they are lower middle- and our data suggests majority are not infected by children but by other adult contacts (whether at work or in the wider community) or by home contact (again accept there may be regional variation). Yet the way the unions, and some teachers, are acting you’d think they were the most at risk group out there.

If an individual teacher is higher risk, e.g. due to an underlying condition, then appropriate steps should be taken. Which might mean not teaching in person for some- and fair enough. However, blended learning is not as good as being in a classroom. We have seen that. Children being isolated from peers is also not good for their well-being at all. So, if it is true that their is harm to children’s education and well-being by months of home schooling whilst teachers are not out at “extreme risk’ (some risk, very hard to be no risk) then they should be in school if at all possible.

AllesAusLiebe · 15/12/2020 00:03

I don't blame teachers, but I honestly don't know what the alternative would be? Schools have a finite number of resources. For me, it's either close them or allow them to remain open. I don't see a better option right now but to keep them open.

The government are incorrect to prioritise commerce but, like it or not, Schools need to remain open.

BelleSausage · 15/12/2020 06:23

@AllesAusLiebe

The government could increase those resources to make education more consistent for children in worst hit areas.

Education at the moment is a post pass lottery which favours wealthier areas. The kids in some of the most deprived boroughs in the country have barely been at school since September and are less likely to have access to online learning. There are places where children and families have been left to fend for themselves for months.

But it is okay as long as the middle class schools in leafy boroughs with low infection rates haven’t been disrupted too much 😒

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HerdyGerdy · 15/12/2020 06:32

@caringcarer

One teacher told my son's class she would be staying home this week and teaching from home as she is worried about not being able to see her parents at Xmas. She said to whole class of students that many teachers were worried about becoming ill over Xmas and wanted to see their elderly parents so had to do this. I have rang his school and tried to spoke to head about this. She rang me back later and she did not deny it and said it was "unfortunate" teacher told class that. I have told Head I shall be taking this complaint to the Chair of Governors. I have checked this with one of my sons friends who also says teacher told them that. It is not a lie.
You ok there, Pinocchio? Still, bigger nose helps with the social distancing.
balloonsintrees · 15/12/2020 06:44

It is rife and decisions to move to online teaching are not taken lightly.
We went from no cases to 14 staff and students testing positive in 2 days. The knock on effect because of self isolation protocols meant that students would be coming in and having over 50% of lessons per day as cover. The movement of students around the area and around school massively increases the risks.
Our head has taken the incredibly difficult decision to move to remote learning for the last week to try to protect all families - we have had another 26 cases in the last 3 days. This may be a sign that it is the new, more virulent strain.
None of us want this, we all want to be in school, but safety has to come first at least once this year.

MadameMinimes · 15/12/2020 06:45

Yeah, not believing that story either. What teacher would tell a class all about their plans to commit gross misconduct by lying to the HT about being ill or isolating to take a week off work? III just does not add up. Unless they are on a supply contract and doing weekly timesheets, in which case that is entirely their prerogative and they are free to choose whether they want to work this week or not. One of the reasons so many schools are having to close at the minute is because lots of supply staff aren’t working this week, so if you have significant numbers of staff off then you’re totally stuck.

FrippEnos · 15/12/2020 06:48

BelleSausage
Why aren’t more people totally outraged at how they and their kids have been failed by the system.

Because like caringcarer they prefer to believe their own bullshit rather than the facts.

Apple1971 · 15/12/2020 06:54

[quote BelleSausage]@AllesAusLiebe

The government could increase those resources to make education more consistent for children in worst hit areas.

Education at the moment is a post pass lottery which favours wealthier areas. The kids in some of the most deprived boroughs in the country have barely been at school since September and are less likely to have access to online learning. There are places where children and families have been left to fend for themselves for months.

But it is okay as long as the middle class schools in leafy boroughs with low infection rates haven’t been disrupted too much 😒[/quote]
If secondary schools were allowed to use Rotas - you could have 15 in a classroom rather than 30. Then they could actually socially distance and might not have to self isolate when there are positive cases.

As it is we have 2 More cases yesterday in my school Leading to 40 pupils having to be sent home to self isolate for 10 days.

I know which I think is better

Screwcorona · 15/12/2020 06:57

I'm a bit 🤔at all this blame. Its coronavirus' fault that we're having a crappy year. Government have done loads to support us and the schools are doing their best.

AaronPurr · 15/12/2020 06:59

@Screwcorona

I'm a bit 🤔at all this blame. Its coronavirus' fault that we're having a crappy year. Government have done loads to support us and the schools are doing their best.
Do you work in a school?

I don't know anyone who works in a school who thinks the Government have done loads to support us.

Biscuitsneeded · 15/12/2020 07:03

@MissEliza I didn't say all parents were furious. Those who, like you, haven't (yet) seen their children's education significantly disrupted, have no need to feel furious. I'm a secondary teacher. We only had one case all term until last week but suddenly we have new cases every day - staff and students. My own children's school had to send home large groups of Year 11 during their mocks because of cases. Once covid takes hold in a school it is much clearer what a pack of lies the government have told. My own Head could not have done more to keep students safe. Everyone is masked in corridors, year groups are taught in different buildings with own designated outdoor areas. Hand gel and wipes everywhere. Spaces between desks carefully measured and checked regularly in case they get moved. Windows open all day. Guess what? We still get the cases. It's just the lying that makes people angry, this blind insistence that schools are safe when they are palpably not.

BelleSausage · 15/12/2020 07:12

@Screwcorona

The government have done nothing to support schools. I open my own classroom windows and the head paid a massive chunk of our site budget to buy vats on hand sanitiser. That’s all that has been done.

Oh and we’ve painted some arrows on the floor.

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lesleyfish · 15/12/2020 07:14

I get really fed up with people blaming teachers for things out of their control.
I'm a teacher. My head tells me what to teach, how to do it, where and when. I have no choice. If I do not do as he asks I would be put into a disciplinary procedure.
The government tells the school when they can open or close, whether to do home learning and what safety procedures schools should follow.
People act as though individual teachers are making these decisions and that is just not the case! I just get told what to do and do it.
It seems teachers always get the blame when it doesn't suit people's agenda to fig a bit deeper and find out where the policy is actually coming from.

Schehezarade · 15/12/2020 07:15

I said - People could volunteer to help in primaries but I dont' suppose the unions would let them.

Yeah, all that pesky paperwork like safeguarding, qualified teach status and DBS etc is really only done at the behest of awkward unions and really unnecessary anyway

This was your response - why am I not surprised?
Many people who volunteer are DBS checked. Me for one. Many could help listen to reading or do tables - the majority of kids will never make up this lost education - but we can't step on the toes of teachers, depressing.

GalesThisMorning · 15/12/2020 07:17

I just wanted to pop on here and say that Wales are making some better decisions (imo). Secondary and FE moved online this week. Similar happened the week before October half term. Primary have a shorter week this week - my son's school is finishing Wednesday.

The college I work in has already moved teaching online for the first week in Jan, with a recognition that Welsh Gov will probably do the same anyway and at least we've had notice.

Moving teaching online for a week before and after Christmas just seemed the safest and easiest thing to do. Shocking that England is trying to prevent the same thing happening.

lesleyfish · 15/12/2020 07:19

In addition, if people feel the home learning they had during lockdown wasn't up to scratch then they should have raised this with the head teacher. In our school all of our home learning was scrutinised by the slt to check and there were also government guidelines to be followed. For example, lack of marking was government guidance to try to keep a level playing field for all children. Teachers were told not to mark lockdown work. If we'd been told to mark we would have!

MrsHamlet · 15/12/2020 07:22

It's not about stepping on toes. We have a blanket ban on visitors this term in my secondary. We let ofsted in but that's it. Many many schools will be in the same position.

sashagabadon · 15/12/2020 07:24

I’m not furious either. I’m pleased schools are staying open.
I think actually the majority of parents are pleased too hence the lack of outrage generally. I think a tiny minority of parents might be furious but the majority not.

sashagabadon · 15/12/2020 07:25

I don’t blame the teachers to be clear. My kid school have done a brilliant job and I have told them so.

BelleSausage · 15/12/2020 07:26

@Schehezarade

It’s not about DBS check. It’s about bursting bubbles and infection control. We aren’t allow visitors in school at the moment. At all. Because it would contravene government guidelines.

Again, it is the government setting the rules. If you want to volunteer then e-Mail Gav and make the suggestion. He is the one setting the rules on what we can and cannot do.

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