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AIBU not to pay for this?

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GlassLass · 12/12/2020 19:00

Some time ago my H and I decided to extend the house. A friend of a friend of a friend recommend a 'cheap architect '. when he visited we just chatted about what we want and asked to send us any info we got. So we sent a plan of house and a plot from title deeds (important to mention that there's a visibility splay which we are not allowed to build on) and screenshot of a zoopla page with an old advert of our house where some indicative sizes and floor plans were shown and said that we don't have exact measurements. Later an A sent us a draft with an extension which looked very wrong size wise. My H did the measurements and it appeared that A tried to fit those indicative sizes into indicative floor plans and the result was not our house at all. We messaged back , he came again re measured the external walls and asked us to do all internal measurements , which we did and sent him it as a digital plan(my H is in engineering, so can easily produce those). While waiting my H draw an extension plan himself and sent it over to an A. At that point A suggested to start getting quotes from builders. One of the companies looked at my H plan and noticed that it crosses the visibility line and most probably will be rejected by planning office. My H messaged A saying that plan needs to be redone (no more plans from A) and started playing with ideas of how to fit the max area extension within restrictions. A bit later my H came up which he thought a brilliant idea of an irregular shape extension. Again sent it over to A asking if that would work. A replied that he is going to start producing plans for an application.
A week after builders visited us to have a look at site and looked at our plan version 2 . They pointed out that it has several flaws and that its unlikely be accepted due to its shape . They also sent us a drawing with a proposed extension which was just perfect, simple and clever. At this point my H and I were very disappointed with our A and messaged him not to proceed any further with our extension. He got back to asking how better to invoice us?

I would like opinions if we should pay anything at all as we never seen any work done by him only first wrong dimensions plan. All other plans and measurements we done by us.
Thanks.

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Confusedandshaken · 12/12/2020 20:00

You cannot expect him to do a site visit (also known as visiting and chatting) and draw up plans for free. Wait for his invoice. If it seems high you can negotiate but he is a professional who deserves to be paid for his time. He didn't visit you for fun!

Pipandmum · 12/12/2020 20:03

Did you sign a vibrant? He did fo done either, and you had continually questions and advice from him. So yes you pay him for work.
But you should have got an idea first how much for each stage (site visit and initial consultation, first draft etc).

Pipandmum · 12/12/2020 20:04

Vibrant? Contract!

Yoshinori · 12/12/2020 20:07

you need to pay him for the work he did

Confusedandshaken · 12/12/2020 20:09

My dear departed FIL was a builder. I learned from him never to expect favours or mates rates on major work in the house. Find someone you have no connection with (not always easy in rural Ireland!) and have a proper professional relationship.

DH and I had a house built in his family's home village as did his sister. We employed architects and builders from out of our area and were relentlessly teased, mocked and niggled at for not hiring locally. His sister used very highly skilled neighbours to work on hers. That was over 20 years ago and the feuds and fissures that developed over the disputes and dissatisfactions of her build still linger on but I think most people have forgotten that ours was built by 'blow-ins' (people who live more than 20km away!).

Eddielzzard · 12/12/2020 20:09

See what he invoices for and take it from there.

Hopeisnotastrategy · 12/12/2020 20:18

Stop trying to justify not paying him anything, that's not right. He spent time on your project in good faith and you provided him with poor quality information.

You sound inexperienced with building/ possibly young? Do think carefully before you proceed any further and do some research into what others have done in your area. Building always costs more and takes longer than you think. (I say that as somebody who ended up spending a six figure sum to get our extension out the ground, instead of the anticipated £15 to £20k due to ground conditions). Admittedly that's an extreme example, but you never know what you're going to find when you start opening a building up. You need to build a decent contingency sum into your budget. Your husband may be able to produce basic plans, but he too missed the important visibility line issue.

If you're quibbling before you've even seen his bill, I wonder whether you can really afford this at the moment?

That might sound harsh, but better to check now than when you are half way through. But not paying a fair sum for the work done is not a good look.

SirGawain · 12/12/2020 20:22

Cheap Architect

You get what you pay for!

dontgobaconmyheart · 12/12/2020 20:28

I would see what he is invoicing for and negotiate it accordingly OP. I think there are valid points to be made that communication and what you provided was aleays going to result in a wrong result and also that he has done work and should be paid for the working hours spent on it. Ultimately as with anything, doing due diligence is part of making a purchase. If you willingly choose to work with someone, buy a product from them or use their services, you should vet them, ask for past work, ask for reviews or references and so on or what you get may not be what you want.

I would be expecting to pay something to him though. Out of decency if nothing else. Other people are not charities.

GreySkyClouds · 12/12/2020 20:31

How much is he charging you?

FinallyHere · 12/12/2020 20:44

As a general point, it's a good idea to ask people what to expect the costs to be before you ask them to go ahead. They won't walkways be able to give you a fixed price but do insist on understanding the potential costs in advance.

Good luck, it's not easy.

NoProblem123 · 12/12/2020 20:55

Get an itemised bill and then dispute certain elements- you will have to pay him something tho.
Maybe he can pay for some exams.

IndecentFeminist · 12/12/2020 21:03

Why on earth did you not measure up properly? We're you just guessing and expect him to guess too?

KatieGGGG · 12/12/2020 21:17

Why on earth wouldn’t you pay him Confused on what basis? The first dimension plan was only wrong because you sent a screenshot of an old zoopla advert instead of being arsed to measure correctly.

You’re paying for his time, not only if you decide to implement his work.

Bluntness100 · 12/12/2020 22:08

The thing is op even when your husband was asking him for advice on his designs, he was working, he wasn’t throwing him a freebie.

donquixotedelamancha · 12/12/2020 22:12

He still sent a draft, which he did so should be paid for.

But it was wrong. He has done very little and all poorly.

OP, you discussed two levels of service, neither of which were performed. If you didn't sign a contract then to me you had not commissioned him and were still discussing ideas.

If you do agree to pay something I think it should be very little.

GreySkyClouds · 13/12/2020 09:26

@NoProblem123

Get an itemised bill and then dispute certain elements- you will have to pay him something tho. Maybe he can pay for some exams.
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