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To think the High St is doomed

59 replies

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 12/12/2020 13:20

Just back from Christmas shopping in a medium-sized town. I know small retailers have taken a huge hit this year, so I'm trying to buy everything from a physical store, and not make Jeff Bezos (Amazon) any richer.

Seems like there are lots of other people doing the same, because the streets were already busy at 9, but..none of the small, independent shops were open. It's two Saturdays before Christmas, people haven't been able to shop because of lockdown, the number of customers in a shop at one time is restricted, so shopping is slower, shops only have a few weeks to make some profits after a disastrous year - but apparently not a single small retailer had thought of opening earlier than their usual 10 or 10.30. I'm sure some couldn't because of child care issues or similar, but every single one? Most of these are small stores, staffed by the owners so they can't all have staffing issues.

Of course, all the chains were open at 9 on the dot, so guess where everyone did their shopping? And Jeff Bezos is open for business 24/7.

I worked in retail and catering for 10 years while studying. It's a bloody hard job and I feel for every small business owner this year. But they are pushing customers into the arms of the big retailers. AIBU?

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Peanutbutterblood · 12/12/2020 13:28

I agree with you. Some shops in my town have chosen to open slightly earlier but most havent. I'm of the mind set if I want to pop in I want to be in and out by 11 before it gets busy. Surely it makes more sense for social distancing to extend hours slightly

The high street is fucked but the economy is suffering so badly atm it makes much more sense for a lot of people to shop online. I really cant see a way to make it better

grannyinapram · 12/12/2020 13:42

thats surprising.
most women i know with children at school tend to get their shopping done at about 9am after school drop off

hansgrueber · 12/12/2020 13:47

The High Street has been doomed for many years, the first nail in the coffin was the out of town shopping complexes. the internet is simply a progression from there.

CakeRequired · 12/12/2020 13:48

The High Street has been doomed since they started opening retail parks with free parking. Covid just sped up the process.

Should really stop wasting money trying to save it, give up and have the councils focus on other things that are more needed in their area. A bigger hospital and better/more schools would be great in mine.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 12/12/2020 13:53

@hansgrueber

The High Street has been doomed for many years, the first nail in the coffin was the out of town shopping complexes. the internet is simply a progression from there.
Maybe, but I think you could argue that it's the chains that will move totally online, and that there is still a niche for small independents, where you can browse. But not at this rate.

Same with independent booksellers - people bang on about how sad it is that Waterstones and Amazon are taking their business, but a lot of independents aren't welcoming at all (with honourable exceptions - we have an awesome one locally). If your main selling point is that customers can browse, and you don't make them welcome, you can't expect to compete.

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VettiyaIruken · 12/12/2020 13:57

The businesses have to change.

They can't say well, it's always been like this so it should always be like this.

Businesses need to keep up with customer preferences. If that means moving online then that's what they need to do.

Businesses that don't adapt, die.

Egghead68 · 12/12/2020 14:00

The high streets are going to have to become service dominated - cafes, hairdressers, nail-bars etc. Lots going that way already anyhow. This was on the cards even before covid.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 12/12/2020 14:16

As a small independent one woman band retailer myself, I see this from both sides.

Footfall increasing around Christmas is great, but the previous lack of it, and the lockdowns has left some of us trying to minimise overheads,and some may not have been able to buy new stock,like myself. It's a finely tuned balancing act when any extra money taken may simply go towards paying the extra utilities bills caused by opening an extra few hours a day.

Also if I have an urgent issue crop up at 9.00am at home,I don't have staff to pick up the slack.

When I first opened my shop everything was organised around caring for my MIL with dementia who had moved in with us - we opened the shop to try and keep me employed alongside caring responsibilities. Things have moved on since then, but the buck stops with me.If I am ill and it's a Saturday, the shop stays closed unless a trusted friend or family member can step in, which as they all have lives, isn't always possible.

I have been trading four years and am locked into a five year lease which we can be released from as we are now struggling to make the rent, if another tenant can be found - (we will have to pay extra if this happens to recompense the landlord, who is an estate agent, for advertising the property).

It's possible that the independent retailers you describe have made their decisions based on a drop off in general sales over the last two weeks.

After second lockdown we did loads of advertising and it has been tumbleweed.Our town centre is really quiet and even the big chain pubs are doing hardly any trade due to tier two restrictions. There has been a massive uptick in crime and public disorder and people aren't going out unless they have to.

I have tried every combination of opening hours and it's still a crap shoot. Our location is slightly off the beaten track but in a parade of shops - on a Saturday the sandwich shops are shut as they cater for local office workers, and there are two convenience stores which are well frequented but mostly for alcohol and exotic foodstuffs.

The High Street is pretty doomed, things have gone downhill massively in the last year, and the idea that people are seeking out small independent retailers is enticing, but the reality doesn't seem to match up.We have lost M&S and Beales in the last couple of years, and our big Debenhams is on its way out. Plans are to convert the buildings into a mix of residential and boutique retail. Small units command rents of 40,000 and above as you move towards the town centre so it's just going to be a never ending run of food and coffee outlets as far as I can see.

It's very disheartening when people come into my shop and snap pictures of my stock then look online to order it cheaper.If I sell it cheaper,I don't make my overheads - it's a catch 22 race to the bottom and so disheartening.

Honestly I have tried everything I can to make my business cost effective and appealing. We have the BID who are only interested in levy payers and as we fallunder the rates threshold we are excluded from their initiatives, despite putting alot of effort into community projects.

Sorry this has turned into a bit of a pity party - it's just really hard to keep upbeat and positive with everything going on at the moment.If I had to self-isolate my shop would have to shut for the required period-maybe that might explain some of the shops being shut in the area mentioned.

It's a real grind at the moment - my problems will not be solved by opening for extra hours as footfall has declined so dramatically, and it will cost me more to do so.

So yeah, I hear ya OP,and I don't know what the answer is..... but I promise,on my part it really isn't bad management or laziness x

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 12/12/2020 14:20

Sorry to hear things are so tough, @MistressoftheDarkSide. I really do wish all small retailers well Flowers

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Debradoyourecall · 12/12/2020 14:21

Same thing where I am. I walked past a art shop with some nice cards I was going to pop in and buy, but they weren’t open till 11.

On the other hand one of my local shops is doing hampers. I ordered two by email, paid online and they’re dropping them off, so no need to physically go in at all. That sort of thing is great.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 12/12/2020 14:23

@MissLucyEyelesbarrow Thank you, that is very much appreciated x

GoldfishParade · 12/12/2020 14:23

I think retailers need to start being more creative and innovative. Consider add on services, start trying out new collective schemes etc.

Nobody owes you a living

MarshaBradyo · 12/12/2020 14:25

I don’t know if they are doomed - today the high street near us was incredibly busy. But that does sound late for opening.

MarshaBradyo · 12/12/2020 14:26

I think where we go, zone 2, is getting a lot of extra trade from central London and people want to go out and do stuff.

Hope4theBestPlan4theWorst · 12/12/2020 14:28

I went to a local town this morning as had to get some bits and I agree - the independents weren't open any earlier but M&S and boots were at 8:30am!!

It's tier 3 here so nowhere to get a drink and a cake unless you want to sit and freeze outside on a wet bench and then there's the issue of the lack of public toilets!!!

The little shops on the high street and in the uphill area need to actually be open (I was heading home by 10:30!) I went to Lincoln but in hindsight would have got everything I ended up buying online! Nothing unique and out the ordinary!

If they want to succeed they will have to do better than that!!

dottiedodah · 12/12/2020 14:33

I like the small shops and going into town to do last minute Christmas Shopping .We went into Salisbury last WE .Lots of smaller shops open but some closed .(Sunday) Lakeland /M and S open and doing a good trade .Really nice to go out again(Tier 2) .I agree could get lots online but enjoy physically shopping IFYSWIM!

Bookriddle · 12/12/2020 14:37

My local town is very expensive to park in at the weekends! Why would i pay £5 for 2 hours when i can go to a retail complex and park for free and get everything i need!

The high street has been doomed for years, covid has just put another nail in the coffin

MarshaBradyo · 12/12/2020 14:38

@Bookriddle

My local town is very expensive to park in at the weekends! Why would i pay £5 for 2 hours when i can go to a retail complex and park for free and get everything i need!

The high street has been doomed for years, covid has just put another nail in the coffin

It’s so area dependent

The local area near us is busier than it ever has been. Absolutely booming

CakeRequired · 12/12/2020 14:40

Not all are lazy, but not opening until 11 on a Saturday is just stupid. If you want your business to fail, that's how you start off basically. Get that some can't do it, or an issue came up, but as op said, every single independent retailer was closed in her high street. That's how you lose money to bigger names, by not even being open.

During this year, people were complaining that their cafes/bakeries/coffee shops hadn't done well during covid. And yet, the ones who had been innovative, and started delivering did do well. One company near me has even made it their main focus now. If you sit back and do nothing, what do you expect to happen? A lot of those kind of shops clearly don't need an actual shop, you could manage it with deliveries, and in reality with how much the high street rent costs are, you'd probably be better off not having a shop.

Chances are, working from home is the new normal, hopefully at least for most people. There won't be the people in cities anymore to make it worthwhile in actually having a shop. Going online is your best bet.

Nobody owes you a living

Hope4theBestPlan4theWorst · 12/12/2020 14:43

@Bookriddle
Yes it cost me £6 for 2 hrs parking!

Local councils need to look at this if they want to attract people to the town centre's.

TooManyDogsandChildren · 12/12/2020 14:44

I think there is a distinction between high streets and very local shops.

I have a small run of shops within 100 yards and a high street a mile away. The local shops have everything local people need and IME are very well used: a small supermarket, a butcher, a chemist, a dry cleaner, two independent cafes, a newsagent, an Italian deli and a hardware store plus a pub. They are all small businesses run by their family owners.

I don't go out much, but if I do it is to these local stores.

The high street has the usual chain stores. They are dead and I have not been to the High Street since March.

GnomeDePlume · 12/12/2020 14:46

My small town high street has been dead on its feet for years.

There was an independent cheese maker on the television. She said that her business had moved online. Previously she had been selling to delis but they didnt like cheese shrink wrapped which of course meant it had a short shelf life. Selling online brought her closer to her customers.

Bookriddle · 12/12/2020 14:54

[quote Hope4theBestPlan4theWorst]@Bookriddle
Yes it cost me £6 for 2 hrs parking!

Local councils need to look at this if they want to attract people to the town centre's.
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@Hope4theBestPlan4theWorst

Yeah i agree, unfortunately in my town, it feels like the council dont give a fuck, i literally only go into town to get my hair cut now!

Gingernaut · 12/12/2020 14:54

There will always be a need for those that provide a service - cafés, restaurants, bars, beauty, hair, nails, podiatry and so on, but you're right OP, many small, independent traders are doing themselves no favours by opening at restricted times and not having an online presence.

City centres are slowly getting too expensive or hard to visit with pedestrianisation and high parking fees some of the culprits.

How is a shop meant to get new stock delivered without access for large vehicles?

How are shoppers meant to drag large purchases across walkways to public transport hubs?

Lougle · 12/12/2020 14:59

I think you're right, tbh. I was told about a music shop. I went there after the school run, arriving at 9 am. They didn't open until 10.30 am. Fair enough. I returned at 10.30 am (having driven 5 miles home, then back again). Closed. I phoned the number on the door. 'Oh yes, I'm coming, but I had to scrape the van because it was icy.'

15 minutes later, I was allowed in the shop. I chose some music books for my DD. I took them to the till and the lady said "Do you want to get some Christmas gifts for your DD?" I said "These are Christmas gifts". "Oh, but do you want to buy x?" No, thanks. "What about y?" No. Thanks. "Z??" "No. I'm happy with the items I've chosen".

I could have been done in 10 minutes online.