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To expect companies to have been prepared for the Christmas rush

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Noodledoodledoo · 12/12/2020 11:06

I am getting so fed up with Christmas deliveries not arriving.

I have not left things to the last minute, I have 2 orders I made in November, one the 14th one the 26th which I am having a nightmare being delivered.

I get they are swamped but it has now messed up 4 peoples presents which are unlikely to get there on time as I need to wrap and send on. I am aware there is a backlog at the post office so don't want to leave to the last minute when I ordered in good time!

Hobby craft and M&S have badly let me down this year, my attempt to not just rely on Amazon!

OP posts:
Pumpertrumper · 12/12/2020 17:42

THERE'S NO MONEY LEFT

Except the money they’ve taken from thousands of people whose items they’re now unable to deliver a promised. I mean...there’s all that money Grin

Plonque · 12/12/2020 17:43

Lots of businesses have done well out of the pandemic and do have plenty of money.

Lots have not!! Really stoopid comment.

christinarossetti19 · 12/12/2020 17:43

I don't think it's 'cool' to hate Amazon. I hate them because their complete leeches and undermine small businesses.

If I can't buy from an independent, I'll go go a chain. If Amazon is the only option, then I'd rather go without, life-saving equipment not withstanding.

Never used them.

ZoeTurtle · 12/12/2020 17:47

I've ordered mostly from small sellers like Not On the High Street and everything has arrived within a week. Whether my international parcels will make it on time is another matter... the queue at the Post Office was insane.

Sindragosan · 12/12/2020 17:51

@Plonque

Lots of businesses have done well out of the pandemic and do have plenty of money.

Lots have not!! Really stoopid comment.

Its stupid to point out not everyone is in the same boat and the handwringing doesn't apply equally to everyone? OK then.
Twatalert · 12/12/2020 17:54

YANBU this was the chance for many companies to impress the customer for not using Amazon and many fail at this. They have had months to put plans in place. A 5 weeks or so delay is really unimpressive. At this stage into the pandemic companies shouldn't be surprised anymore. If the amazon delivery guy can turn up the same day....don't tell me about haulier shortages. It is up to the retailer to manage their stock and shipping. The container stuck at ports issue is also not new but has been going on for months. In my view, some companies are just crap at managing these things and adjust.

Noodledoodledoo · 12/12/2020 17:55

Sorry to disappear been out giving out the presents I was organised enough to buy.

My biggest issue is lack of communication, 90 mins I have been on the phone to M&S with delays being added and added. Not being delivered by Royal Mail. No items made outside of the UK.

Hobbycraft nothing, no response to emails, no number to call, finally after 2 days got a response to fb messenger message - suddenly parcel is dispatched.

No its not going to ruin Christmas but the present will be ruined due to the late arrival as it was a food hamper which by the time I see them again will have gone past its best before date!

No I don't think they should have hired more people but perhaps plan what is a reasonable level of sales they can fulfill. It's hardly a shock that they have restricted numbers in the warehouse - been like it since at least June, surely they had figured out what they could competently fulfil. If they know they have supply issues don't sell the stuff till they are confident they can supply.

To be honest when I get the message the courier has got the parcel it arrives promptly - its the getting it to the courier I have the issue with!

As for bashing retail staff I haven't just frustrated with a system which is not working - oh and my job is bashed daily on here so welcome to the club.

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NekoShiro · 12/12/2020 18:00

So people want a company to only have a certain amount of things they can sell a day, and how are they going to implement that? They would need to hire coders to rework their inventory system to make that possible (why would you automatically cap the amount of things people can buy from you?) And then you have to hire testers to test that new system and make sure it integrates into the current one. A test cycle can takes months.

So now you can only sell 100 orders a day, are people capped so can each customer only buy 1 thing? Or can the first person to hit checkout with 100 items in their basket get to buy everything and everyone else trying to buy finds out they missed out when they hit check out? Or do you have it so when someone adds the item to their basket it counts it and says there's only 99 left, but then the next customer adds 99 items to their basket and never checks out so the system thinks for the whole day that all 100 are accounted for, denies all other customers and there's actually only 1 order bought that day?

I don't think some of the people here have thought about what they're saying, flippant remarks about just put a max on buying, turn people away, what's your actual plan for them to do that?

NekoShiro · 12/12/2020 18:02

Oh and that's not even mentioning the fact that the warehouse that the item ships from probably ships to retail stores and online customers so who get priority? The people shopping in store or online?

christinarossetti19 · 12/12/2020 18:16

The planning how many sales they could fulfil is so hard to do at the moment.

The problems with the ports. Unpredictable staffing levels due to covid. Systems designed for X number of online order when they now have XXX.

I do sympathise Noodledoodledoo though, it is very frustrating and time consuming.

EasterIssland · 12/12/2020 18:16

I don’t think your problem is because of backlog on the post office but problem with where you bought it. I bought few things in Black Fridays and they’ve all arrived now. I’ve sent things abroad and they’ve arrived. So yes post office might be busy but things are arriving.

Related with the hamper .... I’d ask for a refund. If they said it’s be here by x date and it’s not then it’s not your fault

Backbee · 12/12/2020 18:33

@NekoShiro but some online retailers have already done it successfully. Next for a while was only accepting x amount of orders a day, not sure if it was done by items or by orders, and Tu are doing it. At the very least they could have an indication of timescales when ordering so people can make an informed decision whether to buy or not- like Amazon does.

RedToothBrush · 12/12/2020 21:36

@NekoShiro

So people want a company to only have a certain amount of things they can sell a day, and how are they going to implement that? They would need to hire coders to rework their inventory system to make that possible (why would you automatically cap the amount of things people can buy from you?) And then you have to hire testers to test that new system and make sure it integrates into the current one. A test cycle can takes months.

So now you can only sell 100 orders a day, are people capped so can each customer only buy 1 thing? Or can the first person to hit checkout with 100 items in their basket get to buy everything and everyone else trying to buy finds out they missed out when they hit check out? Or do you have it so when someone adds the item to their basket it counts it and says there's only 99 left, but then the next customer adds 99 items to their basket and never checks out so the system thinks for the whole day that all 100 are accounted for, denies all other customers and there's actually only 1 order bought that day?

I don't think some of the people here have thought about what they're saying, flippant remarks about just put a max on buying, turn people away, what's your actual plan for them to do that?

I know a couple of small companies are limiting the number of orders they are taking so they can cope with demands by switching off their webshops once they have enough.

Now thats fine for a small company.

Can you imagine the complaints if M&S did it, and how the website would go down with everyone refreshing to get their orders in the second the site reopened???

And can you imagine the MN threads about how unprofessional and shit M&S for shutting their website and not having capacity to do every order?

Yeah I think that this is the perfect solution to the problem

facepalm

RosePetalss · 12/12/2020 21:50

@WhereverIGoddamnLike I think we may have ordered the same bundles from the same place! Mine is also being dispatched from the 14th and I’m also worried about it not arriving! Sad

Sennetti · 12/12/2020 21:55

Haha!! Oh come on op!!

If these companies limited what they offer you would be on here moaning and whining about that too

They can’t win

But anyone here working in retail or for Royal Mail/couriers then I say WELL DONE you are doing a tough job it’s much appreciated 👏🏻

whatkatydid2013 · 12/12/2020 22:22

We’ve been lucky with recent deliveries. We’ve had stuff from John Lewis, Lego, Esty,Hotel Chocolat & Hobbycraft in the past few weeks that was all ordered Black Friday weekend. We ordered most stuff for Christmas in September and October as we were worried about possible supply issues by now. In the end only thing we saw delays on was an order of stocking filler bits from boots and even that showed up eventually. Fingers crossed your parcels show up soon OP. I think you’ve been a bit unlucky but also that things like this do happen even in normal times and were bound to happen more this year. YANBU to be frustrated but you are being a bit unreasonable to think it could be avoided really. Can you pop in somewhere or pick up alternative things in a supermarket shop so you can get your hamper sent off? If so maybe just ask for a refund from M&S instead of waiting?

ferretface · 12/12/2020 22:44

There's a whole storm of things going on at the moment so in a way surprising there isn't more disruption. The ones that spring to mind are:
Covid massively increasing demand for online retail, placing both retailer and delivery companies under pressure
Staff shortages due to self isolation/sickness, at both retailer and delivery companies
Stock backed up because of insufficient space at the ports, meaning that retailers are having difficulty getting stock into the country. This is because storage space at the ports is occupied by PPE and Brexit stockpiles and the system is getting jammed at what is its busiest time of year anyway.

Lougle · 12/12/2020 23:57

I placed an order on Thursday evening for 2 shops. They both had relatively long lead times for postage - 18th Dec and 22nd Dec, but I figured that still gave me time to dash out if they didn't deliver as promised. Both parcels arrived today.

BoJoHoNo · 13/12/2020 00:20

I don't think some of the people here have thought about what they're saying, flippant remarks about just put a max on buying, turn people away, what's your actual plan for them to do that? This. So many armchair programmers out there!

I can appreciate people being frustrated by items not turning up quickly. However, the number of customers who place an order then expect it to show up the next day or even the same day is staggering, even when that is not what's been advertised. Customer services have all these ridiculous enquiries to sift through before even getting to the legitimate 'where's my order that a placed x number of weeks ago' questions. I used to work in a call centre for a bank. Bank holiday Monday shifts without fail would be 99% of calls, people not having a genuine issue or question, just wondering whether anyone would answer their phonecall!

Leflic · 13/12/2020 00:42

FFS - Why is ordering early - mid November not organised? How can you shop Black Friday offers in August- do you possess a time machine then?

Online goes two ways. It means companies can easily put “ unable to deliver” or “delivery to store only”on their website, once it becomes clear people aren’t getting items. Customers understand the issues and would rather not give their money away and not know if the goods would arrive, to deal with customer services and then have to rebuy the present anyway.

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2020 08:06

@Leflic

FFS - Why is ordering early - mid November not organised? How can you shop Black Friday offers in August- do you possess a time machine then?

Online goes two ways. It means companies can easily put “ unable to deliver” or “delivery to store only”on their website, once it becomes clear people aren’t getting items. Customers understand the issues and would rather not give their money away and not know if the goods would arrive, to deal with customer services and then have to rebuy the present anyway.

The problem is that stores thought that goods would get delivered as normal. Until they didn't. Because this is a perfect storm of unique circumstances.

As for ordering on Black Friday - personally I'm always hesitant about that anyway because it notoriously always has problems due to the sheer number of orders and the fact it rarely has deals better than available in some form before / after anyway. It is a bit of a scam.

But i do know that a lot of people will just persist in buying then because 'its such a good deal' which isn't going to change but its always the risk at peak ordering points that you are more likely to be hit by problems.

I do have sympathy for people who have problems this year, but theres also a lot of massively unrealistic expectations and people without a fucking clue as to how these delivery and supply chain systems work and the level of extreme pressure they are currently under.

Its futile getting upset and angry about it really cos its not going to make your goods turn up quicker. Your options are to wait or ask for a refund and thats about it in most circumstances this year.

This is going to get far worse before the end of the year. And may yet affect food. These problems are affecting the production lines at Honda (which costs thousands per hour if there are not parts available), Ikea cant get stock into the country as its stuck in a massive tailback in France, i know of food processing plants struggling to get their supplies through. And none of these big companies can get the answers about estimated delivery times through because no one knows how long a piece of string is.

Essentially things will turn up if and when they do and that's about the level of things right now. And for the foreseeable.

And really feel for the customer service teams dealing with the ignorant impatient rude bastards. They really are getting the brunt of it unfairly. And i feel for the haulers and delivery drivers. And the logistics managers who are trying to plan things in the absence of a trial on new customs checks or even knowing what the customs will be in 3 weeks time due to a lack of formal decision. Everyone is trying to get things into the country at the same time ahead of Christmas and/or ahead of the New Year at a time when services where already operating at peak capacity due to the covid crisis. Its asking the impossible.

We are where we are. And thats it.

Ultimately the government have had warnings that this was extremely likely since the summer and they've ignored it. The buck stops there.

flowerycurtain · 13/12/2020 08:43

This people is why we need restrictions.

Christmas presents don't really matter.

The legally required food safety test we have to send in once every 8 weeks isn't arriving in time. We have to drive it to our vets now.

The backbone of our country needs to be kept going. The lights, water, food and shelter. It's been flipping hard to do and maybe this might give a bit of a sign to propel how hard it is to keep the basics going during a pandemic.

flowerycurtain · 13/12/2020 08:45

@RedToothBrush

I should have read your post before I posted - you have said exactly what I mean. There are far bigger fish to fry at the moment Than getting Christmas presents into the ports. Food and medicine are far more important.

Pamelaandthepinecones · 13/12/2020 10:07

While I understand the reason for lack of stock and everything as a result of pandemic, it's the crappy customer service that's now being offered that naffs me off. Example - M&S have made changes on their website to the user/customer journey. Before you had a warning of low stock, but an item would remain in your basket throughout your session, as it was reserved against your session. If you closed the session and left without buying on your return it would likely not be in your cached shopping basket on your return. Absolutely understandable.

They have changed this now so that it is not reserved in an active session. This means even if you continue in active session, choose one other item, then go to payment, first item can go out of stock as stock running down while you browse.

Result is get to basket two minutes later and the silk pyjamas have gone! This is a SHIT way to run a service. I work for very large online organisation and we have this up on the wall this week as a superb example of how not to do things.

M&S, seriously, up your game, or rather, just go back to how it was.

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2020 10:20

I think companies are desperate to sell as much as humanly possible under the circumstances. They cant guarantee anything but then no one else really can at this point. Its about cash flow not a longer term customer service strategy. (if stuff is stuck somewhere they may not be able to sell it pre-Christmas or might get stifted with unexpected extra costs or tariffs).

A 'stack em high sell em cheap' strategy in the absence of an ability to do a lot else with rapidly shrinking margins. Its survival over everything else.

From M&S point of view, come next year the alternative shops in the same target market will likely have shrunk, which means having excellent customer service now is less of a priority as there isnt a wide range of competition. For them it might be worth the gamble.

I don't think there is an easy, customer centred response for any retailer this year though if i'm honest.