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To think this friendship has ended, and not know why?

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MargesMincePie · 10/12/2020 15:29

Sorry in advance if this ends up long - will try and keep it as brief as I can.

I’ve got a good friend who I met through work 6 years ago. When we met, we instantly clicked and were very close quite soon, we met up outside of work, took quite a few trips together, attended each others’ weddings and hen celebrations, you get the picture. We haven't worked together now for a while but this has never impacted our friendship. It’s slightly dwindled a bit since kids have come into the equation but that’s totally to be expected - she had her first baby back in 2016 and then had another within the next year after, so has had a lot on her plate. Nevertheless we’ve still managed to see each other and maintain contact (less so this year for obvious reasons), I’ve sent presents for her and the kids’ birthdays, etc.

This summer, I found out I was pregnant. I was quite anxious through the first trimester and only told my very best friend (not the one in question) and my parents – kept thinking something was going to go wrong etc – not sure why, think it was just hormones. During this time, friend in question called me a couple of times and I didn’t answer as I knew if I spoke to her at length I’d end up blurting it out and I just wasn’t ready to. However I always replied to her with a message or email apologising for missing her call, we would chat over text and on one occasion I agreed to help her out on something work-related, so all seemed totally fine and normal.

My dating scan came along and I was really relieved that everything seemed to be fine, so I called her that afternoon. She seemed delighted to hear from me, we had a bit of jokey chit-chat and then I decided to apologise for “being sh*t” with contact for the past couple of months. I explained that there was a bit of a reason, my head had been a bit in the clouds, and then told her I was pregnant. I’m not sure if it was just in my head but the mood then seemed to completely change. She did say congratulations and asked how far along I was, she then almost immediately cut off the call, asking if she could call me back in about half an hour. She didn’t call me back at all, she ended up messaging me that evening to apologise though – she had a busy afternoon and had loads going on – had recently moved across the country, so I didn’t think much of it and she said she’d call me in the week.

No call came a week later so I thought to myself, hmm, have I been massively self-obsessed here? She’s had loads going on in her life, I’ve been in limited contact for 2+ months and now I just call out of the blue with my pregnancy news expecting her to be over the moon – perhaps things aren’t great for her. I sent her a message saying words to this effect – sorry mate, appreciate I might have been a bit self-obsessed recently, is everything ok with you, I really want a proper catch up and to find out what’s been going on your end etc. She replied basically laughing it off and told me to stop being stupid, that she would call me in the week and that she was so excited for me.

And essentially, it’s been the same ever since – I have tried to call and message a few times and she’s usually left it a week or 2 to get back to me, apologise and say we need a catch up soon, and then nothing comes. It was her birthday in October and I sent her a card and some presents, I got a nice thank you message afterwards, but it was my birthday about 3 weeks ago and I didn’t even get a text or FB/instagram post from her, let alone a card or gift.

Shall I just give up? Does it sound like she’s going through something difficult, or that I’ve definitely p*ssed her off and I’m just blind to it - i.e. was it really unforgiveable/selfish of me to have that couple of months being quite limited in contact? I have apologised for that but perhaps it's come off as insincere.

I don’t want to lose her friendship but equally I don’t want to keep bugging her if she’s done with it. I will add that both times she was pregnant I was very much in contact, excited, asking for scan updates, how she was feeling etc, so I don’t think it’s a case of her thinking that I wasn’t there for her when she was pregnant so she doesn’t want to be there for me (if that makes sense).

Tbh I don't even know if it's got anything to do with the pregnancy, it just seems like everything changed after that point so I guess it's what I'm focusing on.

Thanks if you got this far…!

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NovemberR · 10/12/2020 15:32

I'm wondering if it's something like she's miscarried recently and this hit her hard?

Perhaps send one last message to say that you feel she is trying to end the friendship and whilst you are sad about this you'll leave the ball in her court?

WhyDoYouAsk · 10/12/2020 15:37

I would assume that something difficult is going on in her life and approach it from that point of view.
Hi friend, I feel terrible for not being in touch as much as I should have been, life has been a bit much recently but more importantly, I want to know that you’re ok - How are you? I know you have had a lot on with xyz. It would be really good to catch up. Let me know you’re ok ...’
Or something like that.

WhyDoYouAsk · 10/12/2020 15:39

I know you’ve already done similar but do it again.

Then leave it if she doesn’t reply.

NameChange84 · 10/12/2020 15:40

Did she have plans for other children but it didn’t happen? Could she have had a miscarriage in this time?

I think if it’s not those, it’s that she feels you couldn’t be bothered to keep in touch with her when she was making the effort and then feels you only called her to tell her you were pregnant. If she’s been pregnant before, she may feel your excuse doesn’t wash with her and that you could have chatted despite being pregnant.

It’s not how I would have behaved (her behaviour) but trying to explain what it might mean. I think she feels that something was off in the friendship and is distancing herself.

My friend, after daily contact, went AWOL for months and I thought I’d need ghosted. Eventually she got in touch to tell me she’d got into a new relationship and that’s why she’d let things drift. Between that and some racist Facebook and Twitter stuff she was involving herself in (thinking I hadn’t seen it), I felt we saw our friendships differently and I struggled to see her in the same way.

WhyDoYouAsk · 10/12/2020 15:40

I wouldn’t mention that you feel she’s ending the friendship tbh.

Strangedayindeed · 10/12/2020 15:40

Yeah that was my first thought she’s TTC or miscarried.

Dreambigger · 10/12/2020 15:42

Yeah I would try one more time and then just leave it..you haven't done anything wrong. Similar has happened to me. People are just so strange..its sad but just try to draw a line under it or you will be thinking about it for months and wont get any answers.. Flowers

Conkergame · 10/12/2020 15:43

I would leave it for a bit OP - you don’t want to smother her. If it is something like she’s had a miscarriage then she might not want to tell you so it’s kinder to just let her keep her distance until she’s ready to talk to you - that might not be until after the baby is born.

You don’t sound to me like you’ve done anything wrong, and you’ve done what you can since so just leave it be a bit now. She knows where you are if she wants to be in touch.

Mseddy · 10/12/2020 15:45

She has reacted the exact same way I would to a friend telling me they are pregnant. I'm suffering infertility and recently miscarried, reading your post struck a cord with me that I would likely react similar. Especially the hanging up quickly part becuase id have been hurting alot. Maybe she is suffering secondary infertility or like a pp mentioned she may have miscarried. Please keep trying with her, if this is the case it's not that she's not happy for you, she's just very sad for herself. Hope you sort it out

MargesMincePie · 10/12/2020 15:46

Thanks for all the replies. Yes I'll try again - will send a Christmas card this week and then a message about their Christmas plans perhaps, she's always loved this time of year so will see what comes of that.

@NameChange84 yes this is what I was worried about - that she's perceived my non contact and then re-contact this way, it's genuinely not how I intended it, it was more self-preservation really in the first couple of months but I suppose I can't control how she's seen it.

Did also wonder about possible MC/TTC, kind of wrote that one off but I suppose it's very possible and would definitely answer a lot.

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MargesMincePie · 10/12/2020 15:47

@Mseddy, so sorry to hear about your loss. Thanks for your input, I'd of course totally understand if this was the case with my friend too. I'll definitely bear it in mind.

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justanotherneighinparadise · 10/12/2020 15:49

I would assume she’s got some fertility issues or similar I lost two close friends when I had children. Both had told me pretty much that they ‘didn’t do kids’ and they were true to their word. They really didn’t!

something2say · 10/12/2020 15:49

I think....

You needed your space to go through something that was hard for you. Life can be like that, a bit tough, and we want to cover over and wait and see.

Her reaction is hard to gauge. Maybe it has triggered her? Maybe she's sad you didnt confide? You may never know.

What I'd do is keep in touch. Text with minutae. Dont be offish. Let time and life pass. It may be that you meet up sporadically in the future. Friendships change and evolve with life. X

MonaLisaPiles · 10/12/2020 15:51

@WhyDoYouAsk

I wouldn’t mention that you feel she’s ending the friendship tbh.
I agree

If she has miscarried or is struggling to conceive again it might be to much for her.

Don’t go overboard and equally don’t vanish. It is difficult I know but that’s what I’d do

SpaceOp · 10/12/2020 16:22

you were elusive for a few months for your own reasons. Now she is elusive for a few months, most likely for her own reasons. It is very possible that she has been TTC and/or miscarried. Or there's other stuff going on. But I think it's a bit much to be thinking she's ending the friendship when she's just doing what you did not that long ago?

I'd keep communication open. Suggest a meet up. Perhaps ask if all is okay. Wait for her to be ready to engage further.

Ynwa12345 · 10/12/2020 16:37

It sounds like you have both been there for each other through a lot and then because you were a bit 'off' with her up until the dating scan she might have thought you didn't tell her because you didn't trust her enough? I was so miffed when my 'best friend' didn't tell me until 3 months but then I realised its up to them and it's private for them if you see what I mean. Did she tell you before the 3 month scan for both children? X

Miseryl · 10/12/2020 16:43

My first thought was that she's offended you didn't tell her you were pregnant sooner, particularly as you mention telling another friend. Does she know the other friend? Not saying she's right to feel like that/you're in the wrong, but maybe she felt you were closer than you did

thepeopleversuswork · 10/12/2020 16:55

I think its possible that she's offended you didn't tell her about the pregnancy. It would be a bit unreasonable of her but she wouldn't be the first and she may have been a bit pissed off beforehand.

She may also have had MC or fertility issues.

I wouldn't say you think she's ending the friendship its needless antagonism that won't end well, particularly if she's had something traumatic happen. If she's a good friend it will probably blow over after a cooling off period. I tend to think less is more in these situations anyway too much navel gazing and over-analysis is seldom helpful.

YoniAndGuy · 10/12/2020 16:56

I would immediately assume fertility issues.

Jobsharenightmare · 10/12/2020 16:58

I would just lay low. She didn't push you in the two months you weren't ready to tell her the truth. Don't push her now.

Barmyfarmy · 10/12/2020 17:14

I'd imagine if it's not MC/TTC related, she's a bit peed off that you've disappeared and not been there for her if she's going through stuff she needed your support for only for you to ring when it suits you and overrule anything she's said with baby news. Without knowing the full story I could be way off kilter but from what you've said, I'd think she's a bit peed that you've only called because you wanted to show your good news. Maybe she thinks you only call when you've got something you want to talk about. You could've very easily answered her when she called you and just not mention the news.

MargesMincePie · 10/12/2020 18:52

@Barmyfarmy

I'd imagine if it's not MC/TTC related, she's a bit peed off that you've disappeared and not been there for her if she's going through stuff she needed your support for only for you to ring when it suits you and overrule anything she's said with baby news. Without knowing the full story I could be way off kilter but from what you've said, I'd think she's a bit peed that you've only called because you wanted to show your good news. Maybe she thinks you only call when you've got something you want to talk about. You could've very easily answered her when she called you and just not mention the news.
I totally get this, which is why I thought about it and apologised for being self-obsessed in my follow ups and asked her various things about what's been going on for her. She laughed it off and told me I was being stupid. If this was the reason surely she could have spoken up then and said, yes now you mention it I was a bit upset that you'd gone non-contact and then just appeared out of nowhere with your news? I would have totally understood her point and apologised again.

I definitely don't only call when it suits me. I've been there for her through her previous 2 pregnancies and lots more. The situation this year- for that limited period - was a one off for sure.

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MargesMincePie · 10/12/2020 18:55

@Miseryl

My first thought was that she's offended you didn't tell her you were pregnant sooner, particularly as you mention telling another friend. Does she know the other friend? Not saying she's right to feel like that/you're in the wrong, but maybe she felt you were closer than you did
She does know my other friend but she's been in my life for 20+ years and was my maid of honour etc, I think she'd understand me telling her.

She didn't tell me before 3 months with her first, but she did with her second (maybe at around 9 or 10 weeks) so not sure it could be that? This is my first - if it makes any difference...

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MargesMincePie · 10/12/2020 19:01

@SpaceOp

you were elusive for a few months for your own reasons. Now she is elusive for a few months, most likely for her own reasons. It is very possible that she has been TTC and/or miscarried. Or there's other stuff going on. But I think it's a bit much to be thinking she's ending the friendship when she's just doing what you did not that long ago?

I'd keep communication open. Suggest a meet up. Perhaps ask if all is okay. Wait for her to be ready to engage further.

This is totally fair enough with needing space, being elusive etc - I accept I did it myself. I suppose my main reason in jumping to assume she might be cutting ties though has been her not acknowledging my birthday in any way. It's v unusual, we always do presents etc and to not even get a text has made me think something more is going on.
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alpinia · 10/12/2020 19:04

Might be off but I'd go with a possible combination of fertility issues and your lack of contact. A 'friend' of ours has done similar this year, disappearing and not answering messages only to suddenly video call out of the blue to boast about her pregnancy (first month of trying). More insensitivity and self centredness couldn't have been possible, considering our many recent miscarriages and sadness. We have stopped contact and don't intend to see them again.

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