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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

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AIBU to think that the vaccination will have more of a positive effect than we realise?

24 replies

WokesFromHome · 03/12/2020 07:07

There are lots of people saying they won't have the jab on another thread and I can't really understand this.

Just skimmed the news and it seems that this may be bigger than we even think According to the news, Europes bureaucracy and red tape will mean they won't distribute the jab for ages. Others countries are also behind us. To quote the Telegraph headline "nimble Britain breaks free".

AIBU to think that there are more benefits that we realised. Being one of the few countries released from this pandemic surely is going to have a positive effect on our currency and our ability to recover quickly, like China? Boris may have played a blinder here, I hate to admit and surely people not taking up the tax are only holding us back.

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KittenCalledBob · 03/12/2020 07:12

I'm not a fan of Boris, but I can only see the vaccine as a good thing. A friend of mine who works in researching infectious diseases is hugely positive about it too.

Moondust001 · 03/12/2020 07:13

I wouldn't put any credence in the Telegraphs opinion of anything. A few days here and there (assuming that it isn't all screwed up anyway) will make next to no difference. And since we are heading down the BREXIT rabbit hole any second now.....

Our economy is screwed whatever we do now. The only real question is "for how many decades?".

flaviaritt · 03/12/2020 07:20

Hopefully!

notdaddycool · 03/12/2020 07:21

It’s interesting to see Canada, which has next to no pharmaceutical industry, accept its st the back of the line. I take your point but I imagine there will be several will be quite close behind us so the relative benefits will be minimal. Still hope it goes well and shows a good chunk of the country that seem to hate so much of our country something positive.

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 03/12/2020 07:25

How long before FDA expected to rule on this?

I think your scenario may come to pass only if the other major regulators also approve the vaccine

The sooner vaccines are administered, the sooner economic activity can resume

OuiOuiKitty · 03/12/2020 07:31

I heard on the radio yesterday that the vaccine is predicted to be rolled out in Ireland(where I am) and the rest if the EU in early Jan(unless of course it is found to be unsafe). I wouldn't call that ages away tbh . Given there is brevit to contend with I wouldn't say a couple of weeks is going to make much difference to anything in the long run.

ImperfectTents · 03/12/2020 07:39

I wouldn't hold your breath. There seems to be a cascade of incompetence from government (see track and trace) the utter lack of imagination around distributing the Pfizer vaccine is just the start.

Tadpolesandfroglets · 03/12/2020 07:41

What tax?

IncludeWomenInTheSequel · 03/12/2020 07:45

What's Boris got to do with it? None of this is his doing.

Saoirse7 · 03/12/2020 07:48

Seems like a positive breakthrough in the midst of Brexit.

However, don't even try to attach Boris Johnson's name to it. He had nothing to do with it.

MrsEricBana · 03/12/2020 07:52

Tax = vax

Moondust001 · 03/12/2020 08:14

Still hope it goes well and shows a good chunk of the country that seem to hate so much of our country something positive.
You are confusing political and economic understanding with geography. Nobody "hates" the country, but affinity to or identity with a country does not then imply that one must like or agree with everything that people do in that country. Particularly when the decisions made have brought the country to the brink of disaster.

It is certainly good news that the world now has effective vaccines, but many countries and people won't be able to afford the vaccines. And none of that changes one iota of the reality of the economic or human mess we face - only part of which will be due to the pandemic. The pandemic made worse the structural inequality and economic failure that we face - it didn't make it.

jomaIone · 03/12/2020 08:15

@MrsEricBana are you being serious??

Cornettoninja · 03/12/2020 08:21

She was correcting a typo in the op @jomaIone

OoohTheStatsDontLie · 03/12/2020 08:23

Our country's economy has been more affected than lots of others. So I dont see how gaining a few weeks on a vaccine will make much difference to be honest, with brexit as well it's going to be a drop in the ocean

Pukkatea · 03/12/2020 08:26

Previously we would have been approving the vaccine along with the EU, using well established and robust protocols. Now we will be paying 5 times the amount to replicate this approval and so far, without any transparency as to how it was done so quickly. I'm glad to have a vaccine but an unregulated country hemorrhaging money isn't 'playing a blinder'.

countrygirl99 · 03/12/2020 09:59

Well Finland have announced they will start vaccinating in January and it sounds like they are further on in the logistics planning so I don't see any great advantage over the EU. Chanes are places like Germany may start a few weeks later but be better organised. Here we have 6 regional centres.

feelingverylazytoday · 03/12/2020 10:10

@countrygirl99

There really shouldn't really be any problems with organisation in the UK. The NHS is extremely efficient and well practiced when it comes to immunisation programmes , and preparations for this one started weeks ago.

nosswith · 03/12/2020 10:15

I am glad there is a vaccine. I will have it. I think the main benefits are already known. Whilst I think Boris Johnson is the worst Prime Minister in history (and if I believed in the death penalty would be OK to see him be hanged for the deaths his inaction has caused), on this issue he refused to use Brexit as a claim for its timely adoption, quite correctly.

MarshaBradyo · 03/12/2020 10:19

How much if a delay in EU?

I thought they wouod start early Jan?

Overall it’s great we are starting but I didn’t think they were too far behind

MarshaBradyo · 03/12/2020 10:20

Good to read

GalaxyCookieCrumble · 03/12/2020 10:43

I think the red tape is there to protect the patient, this is concerning in that they have rushed the vaccine through, not enough study on it.

countrygirl99 · 03/12/2020 10:46

@feelingverylazytoday then I hope the experts are left to it and the government doesn't interfere given their record if saying one thing one day and then something else the next. As a project manager I know from experience the mess that makes of the best laid plans. But really it's only a couple of weeks difference so hardly going to have an impact on differential recovery rates. We aren't the only country that have started planning, it's been a pretty widespread practice.

Musicaltheatremum · 03/12/2020 11:33

The organisation going on behind the scenes is phenomenal. Loads of people working on it.
I'm a GP and was on a zoom meeting for Lothian last night. Over 600 people in the meeting. Loads of information and they will be working all weekend planning this. I am already beginning to look at the logistics to vaccinate our ambulant over 80s who are the only group we are being asked to do with the others going to huge walk in centres/drive throughs. We will also be asked to man the big hubs.
I think we have over 200 over 80s so that's 400 vaccinations to do if all take it.
How do I do this

Safely
Quickly
Keep everyone distanced
Keep seeing other patients
Store the vaccine...we have 2 fridges but one full of children's immunisations and we can't store the pfizer
We can probably vaccinate 6 people an hour safely X 5 or 6 vaccinators so 30 an hour but it's winter so where do they wait? Can't have them outside and can only have so many in the waiting room

We will do weekends most likely to keep them separate. But it needs planning.

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