White House poker. Biden trumps Trump. (Trump thread #115)

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Here it is.
Thanks @BruceandNosh for the title.

And still we persist.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4084369-Figures-Don-t-Lie-But-Liars-Do-Figure-Trump-thread-114?msgid=102240605#102240605

www.politicususa.com/2020/12/06/rudy-giuliani-illegal-coup-plot.html

Oh, have to share a new term I've just learned: "conversion narrative". It originates in the confessions American Puritans gave of sin and rebirth, in church.

But I thought, "Stone me, that describes something I've heard a lot of recently."

You know, that identikit proselytising that goes: "I used to be Party X, but then and I saw the error of my ways and now I'm Party Y and bask in the sunshine of redemption."

I remember an article about Twitter bot accounts starting to pump exactly this form of narrative before the election, though I don't remember seeing much after that (I think Twitter went medieval on the bot networks before the election, so may be they were damp squibs).

And then I saw something on a thread yesterday and thought "Yes! Conversion narrative! That's what that is."

Somehow it's not enough that the believer believes what they believe now: it's more compelling that they previously believed something different. Humans are weird.

On Fox news this morning, discussing the upcoming Georgia run offs, McNinny admits that Trump will not be the next president... oops.
"if we lose these two Senate seats, guess whose casting the deciding vote in this country for our government? It will be Kamala Harris."

Trump has tweeted that Rudy has Covid.

Apparently Giuliani has tested positive for covid. So he's finally got a positive result.

Everyone cross post

So he's finally got a positive result.

(Only funny if he doesn't die, of course. But assuming not, )

Yes - I don't want him to die. No doubt he'll be getting full and expedited access to the cocktail of antibodies etc that Trump and Chris Christie received.

Surprises me not one bit. Only surprise is it's taken so long!

How does that affect the lawsuits with Giuliani out of action and Jenna Ellis will have to self isolate

@Soopermum1

How does that affect the lawsuits with Giuliani out of action and Jenna Ellis will have to self isolate

Given the time limits, the cynic in me suspects that whatever the outcome, they're now off the hook.

So, tonight is the Warnock-D/Loeffler-R debate (GA runoff). I'm looking for ward to seeing and reading about the 'highlights' tomorrow.

Also just saw that Perdue-R refuses to debate Ossoff-D. No surprise there. Ossoff pwned Perdue in their last debate.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

'@RudyGiuliani by far the greatest mayor in the history of NYC, and who has been working tirelessly exposing the most corrupt election (by far!) in the history of the USA, has tested positive for the China Virus. Get better soon Rudy, we will carry on!!!'

Rudy hospitalized;

"Giuliani was admitted to Georgetown University Hospital on Sunday, a source familiar confirmed to CNN.

There have been no additional details provided about his condition. It is unclear when Giuliani received a positive test for Covid-19."

Updated article

www.cnn.com/2020/12/06/politics/rudy-giuliani-coronavirus-positive/index.html

Watching the Georgian senet runoff debate. God it's awful. They are both awful. It's so partisan and neither are able to fully answer a question. However if I hear that woman say "radical liberal" one more time I'm going to fling my remote at the tv. She really is a nasty piece of work and such a liar!

Perking I think I know the thread you mean and I agree.

Hi all. I've been lurking on these threads for a while, just popping my head up with a quick question - if the Dems win both Georgia seats and the Senate is 50-50, how do they choose a Senate Majority Leader if there is no majority? Is it a vote with Kamala having the casting vote?

Hi Fiderer, nice to “see” you in here!

Yes my understanding is that if the Senate is evenly split then the VP gets the casting vote in all contests, including that of Majority Leader.

I found this which demonstrates how control can flip back and forth:

“ From January 3 to January 20, 2001, with the Senate divided evenly between the two parties, the Democrats held the majority due to the deciding vote of outgoing Democratic Vice President Al Gore. Senator Thomas A. Daschle served as majority leader at that time. Beginning on January 20, 2001, Republican Vice President Richard Cheney held the deciding vote, giving the majority to the Republicans. Senator Trent Lott resumed his position as majority leader on that date. On May 24, 2001, Senator James Jeffords of Vermont announced his switch from Republican to Independent status, effective June 6, 2001. He announced that he would caucus with the Democrats, giving the party a one-seat advantage and changing control of the Senate back to the Democrats. Thomas A. Daschle again became majority leader on June 6, 2001. Trent Lott announced on December 20, 2002, that he would not continue as Republican leader in the 108th Congress. William Frist was elected Republican leader on December 23, 2002 and began service on January 7, 2003.”

Cool, thanks. I do think though that a 50-50 Senate won't give Dems the free ride some people assume though, it will mean each individual Dem senator having a lot more power as it will only take 1 defection to defeat any bill the Dems want passed. So they will all have a lot of chances to press for amendments/favours/special consideration which will make it all a lot more complex.

Last night's Ossoff - Perdue debate...

The photos of Rudi in the last few days, of him hugging people, shaking hands, photos without a mask, what an utter disgrace !

Even in the best of times, I am surprised anyone would want to be near Rudi with his spitting and dribbling when he speaks.

Yes, and Kamala Harris having the deciding vote which makes a huge amount of difference.

As for Rudy getting Covid, it's hardly surprising given he and his team have completely ignored the pandemic, cris crossing the country, no masks, no social distancing, packed into rooms indoors. Foolhardy

Rudi's been hugging people? Oh lord. Eww, for so many reasons.

Indeed, borntobequiet. I opened that thread cautiously optimistic, and then, bam, sockpuppet with the conversion narrative.

I've actually spent a horrible night having flashbacks to a gaslighting ex because of it.

I used to want to believe him so much, I'd even invite him to come up with a better explanation each time. I know, I know: when someone tells you who they are, believe them. And in the end, obvious thing was obvious. But I really wanted to believe him because there was such a huge amount riding on it.

Brrr. Not nice to remember.

Anyway. Lovely this morning and I shall think happy, happy thoughts. Which do not involve images of sweaty Giuliani.

So if Rudy has been hospitalised that either means he's not well (which shifts the timeline of his infection back a few days...) or he's ok but getting all the bells and whistles treatment that the average American can only dream of