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To not understand the conspiracy

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amazingtracy · 30/11/2020 02:07

I'm educated but not smart-However I am smart enough to trust that experts know better than me and trust their advice.
I honestly don't understand the various covid conspiracies? Do people honestly think that it doesn't exist? Is it that it's been invented to weaken the nations?
That it's been blown out of proportion and it's no worse than the flu?
My day to day and professional experience tells me that it's noting like the flu.
Why is wearing a mask such an issue? Why is wearing a mask and limiting social interaction being classed as some kind of governmental control?
I honestly don't get it.

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bp300 · 30/11/2020 02:29

Experts are divided on things like lockdowns, herd immunity etc. When you say experts do you mean government advisors?

CunnyLingus · 30/11/2020 02:44

Covid is real.

People's responses to it are driven by their belief that their own needs trump society's needs. That is the same whether you wish for lockdown to protect those people you hold dear or to eradicate all lockdown measures because of the freedoms you hold dear. Just two examples. Sadly society and sharing common goals for the benefit of all are being slowly ground down through social media. It is all about 'me' and there is nowhere in between.

It also happens to be a convenience for organisations that wish to destabilise society. Russia in particular that infiltrates the media, bends the stories and controls the message. Those that are all about 'me' from individuals to media moguls cannot see beyond the trees. This is the real issue, not Covid.

Pyewhacket · 30/11/2020 02:55

I don’t get it either. It’s the people who think it’s a hoax that really boils my piss. A close second is that Boris is in league with other word forces to remove our civil liberties and impose a form of authoritarian regime. I work in Critical Care and witness on a daily basis just what this virus can do. A colleague of mine , fit and healthy 26 year old , had Covid and apart from feeling rough for a while was OK only now she is experiencing cardiac problems and she really is quite worried so the prospect of Long Covid is starting to arise. Also Chris Witty and Patric Vallance are more than just government advisors. You hear all the experts being trotted out on the radio and it makes me laugh. The reality is this is real and it is serious and anybody who thinks otherwise is fucked in the head.

amazingtracy · 30/11/2020 03:21

bp300 I'm talking about the basic advice and not the 'what about...'. -The basic guidelines (In my country anyway) which is to wear a clean mask (properly), wash your hands, keep your distance and limit interactions.
Why is this too damn difficult for people to do? What is the conspiracy? What is 'the government' trying to control by enforcing these measures?
Cunny and pie- too many fools going around with dirty masks under their noses standing too damn close to me and offended when I ask them to step back- it's literally an every day occurrence. How are people unable to do something as simple as wear a mask and give space??

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Goosefoot · 30/11/2020 03:31

There is actually some real disagreement over some of these measures. I think it causes more problems to pretend that isn't true, because it makes people think something funny is going on, when it's really quite natural.

Part of the reason is because political leaders want to be able to get out of the hot seat, and if they say their decisions are just reflecting the science, they can avoid responsibility. But public health decisions are never just about science, they are always in large part about understanding behaviour and balancing competing interests. Those are easy things to get wrong and no one who will have to take responsibility in the polls wants to be on the hook.

The public also has some blame - they are unwilling to hear that perhaps only so much can be done, or maybe in some cases nothing.

So it would be much better IMO if they were open about the pros and cons, and unknowns, of different options, rather than making out like people who question certain things must be idiots.

But in general I think people see authorities making decisions that seem illogical, or contradictory, or seeming to take advantage of circumstances, and it makes them think there might be an agenda. Or they hear the rhetoric going around in public and worry what it means. For example, many people are now saying things about protecting the vulnerable that would not have been accepted before with regard to, say, flu. Even though it seems like it would equally apply. Or they see serious restrictions to travel and wonder, how easy it is to supress basic rights in a democracy.

I am outside the UK, and my regional government has not been sitting for months. They are meant to go back into session after Christmas and we have been told they will request to prorogue the house. It could be a year without sitting - and yet there has been very little pushback in the media. It makes people question motives.

In general though,

Goosefoot · 30/11/2020 03:36

Oh - with masks. You know, there are a lot of health care people who have been skeptical of them. They may be less so now, but they very much were for some months.

The thing is, you cannot train someone in mask discipline for years, and tell them doing it improperly is not only useless, and will spread germs, and expect they will see public mask wearing as a great idea. Because people do all the stuff that they aren't supposed to - touch them, touch their faces, adjust them because their glasses fog up, take them off outside and put them in a pocket or wear them around their neck, wear the same one all day, wear the same one all week...

So they were skeptical about them in the media for several months, and people don't just turn on a dime and say, of, so we now know that's wrong. They might be willing to admit the evidence is better now, but when you tell them it's a 100% sure thing, they think you are full of it.

CentrifugalBumblePuppy · 30/11/2020 03:43

This pandemic has proved to me that there’s a section of society who are selfish, self righteous, self entitled & self important. They search out articles that cement their beliefs. They lack critical thinking. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

It’s the time of My Rights. My Right to go to my second home. My Right not to wear a mask. My Right not to vaccinate my children. My Right to see my friends. We’re in an exceptional situation but My Rights must be protected (and bugger the law).

With the rise of social media we have vast echo chambers where lies & false information are shared & analysed & myths perpetuated. A lie has run twice around the world before the truth has got it’s socks on.

This pandemic is horrible. Maybe this disbelief at the situation has made people protect themselves by holding hope on the belief this is just a bit of a bug. Maybe it’s too much for some to bear so they minimise the risks.

I don’t know. I follow UK medics on Twatter (I’ve left Facebook as I can’t deal with the bullshit frankly) & life on the frontline has been terrifying, exhausting, emotionally breaking some. I’d rather believe their side on the front line than Doris down the road who doesn’t vaccinate their kids & listens to friends who think their Rights trump the lives of others. Speaking of trump, Trump & his continuous vomiting nonsense doesn’t help matters - ‘he’s important, therefore he must know the truth!’ they shout, justifying their daft beliefs.

(Ditto Brexit, voting Tory, Princess Diana was killed by Prince Philip’s mafia ad infinitum).

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