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Chasingpavementss · 27/11/2020 08:29

Who's the opposite to you with how they've lived in a good/bad way.


I'm getting extremely close to a man in his mid forties. We chatted for four hours last night and he told me story after story about his life. I was sharing my life with him too. But he has had a much badder life than me and it kinda makes me feel like surely I'm not the right women for him.

He's got the kindest heart and is such a gentleman. Had massive respect for women and very respectful about exes. Very caring. Romantic. Talks about the future with me. He is very serious about me. I have children and he's taken all that Into account.

But he's done years of fighting when he was younger. He's got scars to prove it. He was a bad boy in his younger years. He told me how his dad shipped him off to another country for five years to calm him down. Then he had children and a wife. That lasted ten years.

He struggled massively with the loss of his mum and last year it all came to a blow. He ended up in hospital after trying to kill himself. He was drinking and a mess. He was in trouble with the police when he was younger too. But for 20 years he's stayed out of trouble

he's recovered and not drank anything in ,8 months. I will add this is due to chronic pain and now the hospital have got it under contorl. he Got the help he needed and he's back working full time. He's doing really well. He said I've come into his life at the right time. To be honest he has mine too. I feel really close to him.

But our lives couldn't be any different. I've never even smoked a joint. I've never been a rebel. I know that's absolutely acceptable. But I feel abit like why would he want someone so calm and sensible in his life?

I can't shake off the feeling that I'm too boring for him. But when I say it he tells me to behave and that I'm the first women in years he's felt close too.

I hope this doesn't read pathetic and stuff. It's hard to write it all down.

But would you be involved with someone who's dabbled in the badder stuff in the past?

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PaperTowels · 27/11/2020 10:57

@flaviaritt

I know three men, very well, whose ex-wives did use their children as weapons.

Sure. Were they also sofa-surfing drinkers with a history of violent behaviour? I’m not denying it happens. But this?

No they weren't. I see your point.
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flaviaritt · 27/11/2020 10:59

PaperTowels

Grin

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Groovinpeanut · 27/11/2020 11:00

Hayeahnobut
Are you new to MN OP? Because this thread is exactly the same as every other new relationship thread. People are obsessed with looking for red flags. Do what you think is best, take your time and don't be afraid to step back when you need to. But take anything you read her with a pinch of salt.

To be fair this happens when people come and ask questions. There are a whole row of red flags flapping away here. The OP sounds like she's heading straight for a bumpy ride. The we've come into each others lives at the right time and that discussion has taken place about him taking kids into account. If someone asks for people's views then people are going to give them. There's no fairy tale here, it is what it is. Women get sucked into these situations. They hear all the hard luck stories and think they can 'save' these poor men who have had such terrible lives.
If people ask, then what do people say?
"Yeah he's a keeper?"

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sammylady37 · 27/11/2020 11:16

Read @S00LA’s post. Read it again. Then a third, fourth and 5th time. And let it sink in that that is your future if you stay with this man. It could not be more obvious. And you’re setting yourself, and more importantly, your children, up for a life of drama, worry and upset if you accept this.

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Chasingpavementss · 27/11/2020 11:27

Appreciate the views. Thank you. You have opened my eyes up massively.

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Justgorgeous · 27/11/2020 11:44

I would be very careful here. I dated a man with many issues. He was a secret drug user and had a lot of problems but had a wealthy family, good job, nice home, so on the surface things seemed fine. They weren’t. I finished it and he became very nasty. He was arrested and charged with harassment with intent. Be careful.

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 27/11/2020 12:11

Someone who romanticises drama (saying he's les an exciting life) is the last person who should be with someone who needs to be fully accountable to stay sober.

You'll excuse his behaviour (you are already doing this - explaining away his previously very bad behaviour), celebrate basic run of the mill human decency (you are already doing this - eg his kids say 'I love you', he likes dogs...') as if it's something special, you'll let him make you feel you can responsible for his happiness (you're already doing this by not running a mile when someone 8 months sober says you've arrived at the right time and they will take into consideration your mids - way too much too soon),

How old are your kids?

Life isn't a romance novel. Eight months sober is still hugely risky.

Having conversations this in depth, which ALL position him as a victim of circumstance and other people being mean to him, this early on is totally inappropriate and designed to create a falsely intense level of intimacy.

He may be doing this subconsciously rather than consciously but the impact is the same. You're writing chapter and verse about the warning signs of a man you barely know but defending them all and not really taking on board what people are saying.

You're choosing to sleepwalk into a relationship that is unlikely to be happy and healthy. And you have kids. Walk away.

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 27/11/2020 12:12

(Saying he's led an exciting life) that was meant to say

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Turquoisesea · 27/11/2020 12:15

There’s no way I would get involved with a man like this especially if I had DCs. Too much risk involved in my opinion.

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BillMasen · 27/11/2020 12:25

Now I’m normally one to call out any anti man sentiment on here, but on this occasion I’m with the majority

This has got trouble written all over it. Maybe he has changed, maybe it’s all in the past and he’s now sober, stable, hardworking and would be a great partner. I’m not saying it never happens but it’s rare.

I’d not see a woman with his past as a viable long term partner. Especially as I have kids. Bringing that into their lives is reckless and I wouldn’t do that.

If you must proceed (I don’t advise it) then proceed very slowly and carefully with your eyes open. If (when) this blows up you need kids to be isolated from it, and you too as much as oossible

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BillMasen · 27/11/2020 12:28

And kids as weapons. Yeah does happen. I think on balance from what you’ve said, on this occasion it might be protecting kids.

OP you can do better. You don’t need him. You don’t need this.

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CSIblonde · 27/11/2020 12:46

People can turn things around. Is he self aware , does he know where the anger & acting out cane from & has he had Counselling? Those will factor in whether he's on a good path now. Once his 6months with his friend is up does he have a plan to rent or buy that he's thought out? Is he getting help to stay off the drink. I'd take things very slow, then you can see if the actions match the words. Or if he's going to revert to a default behaviour pattern that he's been stuck in , unaddressed, for years.

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FastMovingLuxuryGoods · 27/11/2020 12:59

I'd take things very slow, then you can see if the actions match the words.

Why, though? Why take things at any pace? Why take the risk? Why put yourself - and your kids - in the position of getting attached to someone who has already raised more red flags than a communist party conference?

There are literally millions of men out there who are a better bet than this one.

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HardlyEver · 27/11/2020 17:24

Now I’m normally one to call out any anti man sentiment on here, but on this occasion I’m with the majority

I’d not see a woman with his past as a viable long term partner.

As with so many 'Let's flip the sexes because Mn is fundamentally misandrist' posts, this simply doesn't work if you reverse the sexes because of gendered ideas about what constitutes a reasonable human being.

Let's all think hard. How many women are considered to be, by the average man dipping a toe into dating, an edgy 'bad girl' catch on the dating market in their 40s, bearing the visible scars of their 'years of fighting' and police trouble when younger, eight months sober after prolonged addiction, and eight months on from a suicide attempt that almost worked, and camping out at a friend's house on a short term let? A woman who dropped their children for a decade with her ex-husband and never saw them, but hey, that's fine because she's there for them' now?

Can we imagine an ordinary man being awed by the sheer rebellious coolness and 'badness' of this scarred, recovering female addict, and coming onto an internet forum full of other men to worry that he's never smoked a joint, has only ever gone out with 'good girls' and is therefore 'too boring' for this woman?

No. Of course we can't imagine this. Because take off the 'bad boy' glamour that the poor, naive OP has so thoroughly bought into, and what you have is a troubled trainwreck of a man, a totally absent parent, a recovering addict with terrible MH and a recent history of suicide attempts.

If this behaviour looks edgy and attractive in a man to you, @Chasingpavementss, but would strike you as appalling in a woman, ask yourself what that says.

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Squirtycheese · 27/11/2020 17:48

You sound like me and your love interest sounds like my partner.
We worked out. He likes my calmness and I like his enthusiasm for life. I do think that if we had never met he would of slipped off the rails again and I wouldn't have the joy de vive he has gave me. My family have worked in the police and he knew there would be no way I would of accepted illegal funny business. Nothing he has done in the past has affected our relationship.
Have honesty, don't let him hide things from you and he needs to be open when you have doubts about what he is upto. If he isn't open when you ask questions then I would leave.

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SewingBeeAddict · 27/11/2020 18:21

@HardlyEver

Now I’m normally one to call out any anti man sentiment on here, but on this occasion I’m with the majority

I’d not see a woman with his past as a viable long term partner.

As with so many 'Let's flip the sexes because Mn is fundamentally misandrist' posts, this simply doesn't work if you reverse the sexes because of gendered ideas about what constitutes a reasonable human being.

Let's all think hard. How many women are considered to be, by the average man dipping a toe into dating, an edgy 'bad girl' catch on the dating market in their 40s, bearing the visible scars of their 'years of fighting' and police trouble when younger, eight months sober after prolonged addiction, and eight months on from a suicide attempt that almost worked, and camping out at a friend's house on a short term let? A woman who dropped their children for a decade with her ex-husband and never saw them, but hey, that's fine because she's there for them' now?

Can we imagine an ordinary man being awed by the sheer rebellious coolness and 'badness' of this scarred, recovering female addict, and coming onto an internet forum full of other men to worry that he's never smoked a joint, has only ever gone out with 'good girls' and is therefore 'too boring' for this woman?

No. Of course we can't imagine this. Because take off the 'bad boy' glamour that the poor, naive OP has so thoroughly bought into, and what you have is a troubled trainwreck of a man, a totally absent parent, a recovering addict with terrible MH and a recent history of suicide attempts.

If this behaviour looks edgy and attractive in a man to you, *@Chasingpavementss*, but would strike you as appalling in a woman, ask yourself what that says.

This is an excellent post.
Just to add there is the added- woman is responsible for fixing/ saving him bonus as well Hmm
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Nicolastuffedone · 27/11/2020 18:26

He loves animals and old people? Is he Miss World?

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SewingBeeAddict · 27/11/2020 18:28

@Nicolastuffedone

He loves animals and old people? Is he Miss World?

🤣🤣🤣
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AnotherMumma · 27/11/2020 18:44

I had a lot of issues when I was younger (due to upbringing). I was all over the place and did some reckless things. Then I saw sense and started counselling to sort myself out and ensure that my upbringing didn't define the rest of my life. I deliberately stayed single during the first part of my therapy (for 2 years) before meeting someone and embarking on a new relationship in a healthy way.

I would say that 8 months isn't long to start a new relationship from his rock bottom place. And I'm not even speaking as an alcoholic. I think a person needs longer to learn to love themselves and learn to lead a healthy life before introducing romance and partnership into it.

Just my view.

Sorry if it's been said, but is he having counselling?

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katy1213 · 27/11/2020 18:51

You must be out of your mind - why would you get involved with someone like that? You don't need this man and his chaotic life.
Why do you think you're too boring? You're normal - he's not! Plenty more fish in the sea that don't need to be mended.

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PicsInRed · 27/11/2020 18:55

He didn't see his kids for years.
Sounds great, does he have a single brother?

They are grown up now and love him.
People "love" family in prison. The love of family isn't a character endorsement.

Both call him.
He's lucky they still call him.

He's there for them.
In what real, meaningful way, is he "there" for them? He answers the phone when they call? I answer the phone to that lady who tells us we had an accident on the high street and I couldn't give a shit for her.

His ex used them as weapons he said.
Yeah. He said.

Be was in their lives full time until they were 9 and 7. Then things got harder.
So he just fucked off. Champion. Yeah, get in there OP, this one's a keeper.

Don't get pregnant or your kids will be cruelly abandoned too when it's "harder"

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DorisDaisyMay · 27/11/2020 19:35

Two men I know immediately came to mind who are so similar and I would advise you to wake up...this guy is a fantasist who is amazing at making you feel special as he shares his past with you. He is creating a sense of intimacy with you...but intimacy comes over time. He is over sharing. He has no clear boundaries. He is unstable. He has not been sober long enough to build any true resilience and foundations that could build a healthy relationship.

It may suck for a few weeks to walk away but it will save you a lot of heart break and wasted time.

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Flibbertigibbet2211 · 27/11/2020 20:45

But I don’t think I’d touch someone who had ever been an alcoholic

I'm afraid I wouldn't either. It's not that someone can't be a good person and even stay sober lifelong afterwards (the author Marian Keyes is a wonderful example of that). But I just couldn't risk having that in my life. One thing if someone already close to me developed an addiction problem, another to knowingly risk taking that on.

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Flibbertigibbet2211 · 27/11/2020 20:48

I would also fear that (a) some of the good stuff he's told you may well not be entirely true and (b) he also hasn't told you all the bad stuff by a long way.

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AnyFucker · 27/11/2020 20:56

Slow
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Car crash

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