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Cockroach infested block please can someone advise?

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pinkpetal2 · 25/11/2020 23:57

Hi I live in a block of flats there's 96 flats here the last year 1 or 2 people mentioned they had cockroaches and was told by the council it's an isolated issue and not to worry but treat them yourself so they did.

Fast forward to now it's about 70 flats no one can afford to get pest control in, the council will only spray landings and not individual flats who can we contact to help?.

I'd say easily 85% of the people that live here are reliant solely on benefits they can't afford to treat and the people that did, now have them again.

I'm so worried they'll come into mine it's awful.

What can we do to be heard? We are in Greater London.

I'm also concerned about the fact our block is in such a bad state and yet the council keep pumping money into it to clad it that was 8.9 million, and from floors 1-9 7 of them have flooding issues on the landing and in flats. Nothing gets fixed properly.

Any advice will be helpful please.

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pinkpetal2 · 26/11/2020 00:00

Also I know this isn't an Aibu just it gets so much traffic I wondered if anyone was clued up on how to get rid of them quickly.

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iswhois · 26/11/2020 00:31

Eek!!!! Contact environmental health department at council

I think cockroaches can cause problems for people with lung issues? Needs to be sorted.

There is no point paying for pest control for your apt as the issue is with the whole building so they will just come back.

Council will need to get off their arses and do something

Send pics, keep emailing, ringing etc every day

pinkpetal2 · 26/11/2020 00:48

I'll give them a call tomorrow, it's so depressing Sad.

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mumduty · 26/11/2020 00:53

I'm bumping your thread op as I have no advice but I genuinely thought cockroaches lived in hot countries eeeek.

Ginkypig · 26/11/2020 00:59

Honestly I’d get back on the council list and move!

It’s probably going to be nearly impossible to sort them because the other flats aren’t able to so they will just keep coming back. I’m not an expert obviously so I might not be right but I don’t see how you can keep your flat free if all the flats around it aren’t.

In the meantime get all food into tubs or jars with secure closings like Tupperware etc

I’d also get my clothes and bedding and towels and things into sealable storage

pinkpetal2 · 26/11/2020 01:01

I'm terrified I'm on the top floor with 3 kids ones got learning difficulties, ones just started crawling I feel like giving up my tenancy and going private but I can't afford too. Council have put me on the list for a different place but it's a ten year wait. I don't know what to do.

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Itllbeaninterestingchristmas · 26/11/2020 01:10

Contact/write your local MP, explain the problem and point out that the council will only spray communal areas. It’s going to cost more and not solve the problem. Also write to your local councillors
As PP said above get things packed into sealable storage just in case so you don’t end up with damaged items. Those large vacuum bags are fairly cheap for clothes bedding and towels.

pinkpetal2 · 26/11/2020 01:17

I'll give it a go. This block has just been nothing but nightmares since I moved in. I'm lucky that we all get along with each other my neighbours are fantastic.
We all look after each other me and another neighbour are going to go round tomorrow to each flat and ask them to just sign a paper that we've wrote out to say they've got them and copy it straight onto an email for the local counsellors.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 26/11/2020 01:17

Absolutely SPOTLESS cleaning. Cockroaches will go for food sources. If you can try as hard as you can to have NO food sources, you might be lucky. Downstairs had them repeatedly and we never did. Also sticky traps but I would look at no bait because you don't want to attract them, just check for when you get them.

Good luck!

pinkpetal2 · 26/11/2020 01:36

I feel like they are on me now! I'm going to take all the advice here and tomorrow also plug up all holes I can find

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Givemeabreak88 · 26/11/2020 01:38

This doesn’t sound right that they won’t do the flats? When my mums house got fleas from a stray cat that kept coming in the council sprayed down her whole house 🤔

pinkpetal2 · 26/11/2020 01:41

Yes they won't if you think I'm lying I'm more than happy to post screenshots from our group chat ?

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Givemeabreak88 · 26/11/2020 01:43

Oh ok sorry was only trying to help wasn’t saying you was lying I was saying what the council are saying doesn’t seem right! But never mind Hmm

pinkpetal2 · 26/11/2020 01:44

This is a message I sent to another neighbour who isn't part of the chat.

Cockroach infested block please can someone advise?
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pinkpetal2 · 26/11/2020 01:46

Sorry it was the emoji it's a really sore subject atm it's just so stressful the council does fuck all at all. And just keeps lying.
They told us just yesterday only four flats were affected it's no where near four😩

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Mypathtriedtokillme · 26/11/2020 01:53

Cockroaches literally live on every continent including Antarctica.

I live in Australia and we have a trillion of them. We get the outside sprayed only, doorways, window sills, balconies.
So if you can get the common areas and balconies sprayed it will make a difference.

Cockroaches like warmth and moisture so will often live behind your oven, fridge, water heater or inside the clock of your microwave. Put a bait trap under the fridge etc
Keep surfaces clean and clean up crumbs.

adropnotabit · 26/11/2020 02:02

Australian here. While cockroaches are not nice they are not dangerous and remember they are just a beetle with a bad rep Grin. Yes getting professional pest control is the best way to get rid of the problem and you are right in thinking all of the flats should be treated as they will just move from one to the next. All is not lost however and there are plenty of things you can still do. Depending on the variety they seek water food and shelter so make sure no dripping taps, dry sinks etc. Seal food and clean crumbs, inspect under your fridge, dishwasher, sink for signs of them. Seal gaps and small holes with caulk and use spray, baits and bombs.

WattleOn · 26/11/2020 02:05
  1. Contact the managing agents of the flats. They should coordinate with ALL flats re: pest control and it should be paid for via service charges. Although, the agents might also have better luck in getting the council to deal with it.
  1. Clean, clean, clean your own space. Cockroaches want water in hot countries and food in cold countries. Remove their food source - crumbs, open packets, empty bins daily (ideally at night).
  1. Chemicals are the only way to get rid of them. Not what you want to hear on MumsNet. But true. Spray Raid on your skirting boards as a preventative measure (I’d do the common parts too, it is for everyone’s benefit). If you see them in your flat, spray any where you see them. Consider cockroach bait (but not if you have pets or toddlers). Cockroach bait is a gel type thing that they eat and take back to the nest to kill more. It is dangerous so use with caution.
WattleOn · 26/11/2020 02:08

Australian here. While cockroaches are not nice they are not dangerous and remember they are just a beetle with a bad rep

LMAO 😂😂😂. Only an Aussie could say that!

I saw a massive one in my apartment in Sydney a few years ago and screamed the place down. Surprised the neighbours didn’t call the police.

adropnotabit · 26/11/2020 02:14

Found this helpful post on my local Mums FB page. I can't take credit for this awesome information.

Hello, I’m your friendly neighbourhood entomologist (insect scientist). A sure sign of summer is the increase in everyone’s favourite insect….cockroaches! So by request, I’ve posted some tips about what to do when you start to see these animals in our home (and I’ve hidden some fun facts in there as well😊).

Roaches are awesome. Seriously.

I know , I know- most people hate cockroaches. Which is too bad because they are fascinating and beautiful animals. The small number of species that become pests in our houses are not representative of these amazing animals. Cockroaches play a key role in our ecosystems- they are basically nature’s waste management squad. Bush cockroaches help to break down plant matter and rejuvenate soils. See the roach facts at the end of this post for some seriously interesting facts about our little six legged cleaners. I’ve put picks of some beautiful cockroach species in the comments- have a look!

I saw a roach. Should I spray?

Probably not. Cockroaches are a normal part of living in Sydney. We are lucky to have wonderful warm weather; cockroaches are simply part of living in a subtropical climate. There are 450 species (types) of cockroach in Australia of which only five are considered pests. The larger species are less likely to become major infestations indoors and are often entering from outside. Seeing the odd one here and there is not generally a problem.

The smaller light brown/tan species (often called ‘German cockroaches’ despite not being from anywhere near Germany) can breed very quickly so I tend to be more proactive when I see them around my house.

So, how many cockroaches are too many cockroaches?

Bottom line: if you see one or two big cockroaches I wouldn’t really worry; they likely wandered in from outside. If you start seeing more than a few indoors within a 24 hour period, then it’s worth starting a management plan (see below). If you see one or two little tan German cockroaches, go to step 1 below and follow the plan.

Do cockroaches pose a risk to my health? Do they carry disease?

In low numbers, cockroaches are not a major threat to your health. Cockroaches are what we call ‘mechanical disease vectors’. This basically means that they can move bacteria around if they come into contact with it (mostly gastrointestinal stuff).

For a cockroach to transmit a disease to you, it would need to first walk through a contaminated area (raw meat, faeces) and then happen to walk over uncooked foods like salads, or across a food preparation area. In practise, this is likely not a problem in most households. The exceptions are places like aged care facilities, hospitals and food preparation spaces where there is an increased risk of cross contamination. The risk of contamination can be greatly reduced simply by practising good food hygiene (not leaving raw meats out, cleaning surfaces, food preparation utensils and cutlery).

Allergies to cockroaches are relatively common, especially in asthmatics. For allergic people, exposure to cockroach-associated allergens can result in hay fever-like symptoms, similar to dust allergies. However, cockroach allergies tends to become a problem when cockroaches numbers are high. If you have a known allergy to cockroaches (an allergist can test you) then it’s more important to keep cockroach numbers down. For the rest of us, cockroaches are a pretty minor concern.

Ok, I have too many cockroaches. What should I do?

Time to enact our management plant. One of the central ideas behind sustainable pest management is using the least toxic/expensive techniques first. Only escalate to the next step if the pervious step hasn’t worked.

Step 1: Prevention (do this all the time, even if you don’t have a problem).

Cockroaches come into our houses because we provide two things they need: food and humidity. So step 1 is to try to make our houses less cosy for them. Make sure all food is sealed in containers, including stuff in the cupboards (like boxes of crackers, bags of sugar). Don’t leave food out over night- this includes fruits, bread, butter, etc. If you have a cat or dog, don’t leave their food bowls out overnight-roaches love pet food. Also make sure all pet food is stored in sealed containers.

Consider emptying your bins outside each night before bed as roaches can easily get into most kitchen bins. Or invest in a bin with a nice, tight seal. Make sure to clean behind the fridge, empty crumbs from the toaster and check in between cushions (because that is inexplicably where my kid seems to stash food). Remember that having cockroaches doesn’t necessarily mean you have a dirty house – they are just very, very good at finding food. Your goal is to make it that much harder for them.

Next, try to seal up any cracks in baseboards, walls or around bathtubs. Roaches (especially the little German roaches) like to hide in small dark spaces. They also need high humidity, so pay special attention to areas around bathtubs and sinks. Look for small black/brown specs that look like dirt clustered around bathtubs and sinks- this could be cockroach poop (called ‘frass’).

Leaky faucets or pipes can provide much-needed humidity for roaches. Check drains and clean if necessary- sometimes roaches can live off of food trapped in sinks. Seal up cardboard craft supplies as roaches like hiding in between bits of cardboard. Try to reduce clutter as roaches like living in small dark spaces.

If you have a small number of roaches, either escort them outside (preferred) or squash them. Vacuums work too, but make sure you empty the bag outside (or pop it into the freezer overnight to kill the roaches). Avoid using sprays; they can be effective, but I ‘m generally not keen on spraying insecticides around a house if not absolutely needed. Used as recommended on the label (always read the label!!), most commercially available insecticides are safe for humans in low doses , but I don’t think even the tiny risk is worth it given that you can just squish or vacuum them for free.

STEP 2: Insecticidal Baits

If you’ve locked up your food, eliminated nesting habitat and done the best you can to clean away crumbs, and you are STILL seeing too many cockroaches, then it’s time to move to step 2: insecticidal baits. Insecticidal baits are a more environmentally friendly and safer way to go as the insecticide is contained within the bait and will only effect insects that eat it.

The best baits come in sealed plastic boxes, so that only a small insect can access the bait. The trick with these is to place them in places where cockroaches are likely to be. Roaches tend to walk along walls, so put the baits flush with walls. Place them in bathrooms, under coaches, around bins and anywhere you may have noticed high numbers of cockroaches. Write the date on the bottom so you know when to replace them (most baits only last 3 months-ish). As many baits are neurotoxic (to insects) you might see distressed twitchy roaches around – please don’t toss these outside as we don’t want other insects to eat them and become ill. Departing roaches can be put in the bin outside to minimise the chances of something else eating them.

STEP 3: Call for help!

If you’ve tried cleaning and baits and you still have a problem (you’re still seeing several roaches per day), then I recommend calling a good pest controller. The home pesticide options (bug bombs, sprays) often don’t work well when you have a real infestation. A professional will know which products are best for your particular situation. Don’t be afraid to ask lots of questions- not all pest controllers are equal.

I strongly recommend against regular pest control sprays (for example, routinely getting pest control in to spray the house every spring). First, there’s no point spending money if you do not have an issue. Second, regular spraying in the absence of a problem increases the risk of insects developing insecticide resistance. Once that happens, controllers will need to start using more toxic sprays in order to have an effect.

Here are some fun cockroach facts:

  • Some cockroach species look after their babies for up to 9 months, carefully feeding and cleaning them. Other species feed their young with a special substance they secrete from their body- just like milk! Who knew that cockroaches were such caring mums?

Cockroaches can live for up to a month without their head!! They can do it because they have bundles of nerve tissue called ‘ganglia’ that act like mini brains throughout their body. So if they lose their main brain, the mini-brains can still preform most of their functions. They have light sensors on their legs, so they don’t need their eyes to know when you’ve turned the light on and it’s time to run in an erratic and disconcerting manner. They breathe through holes on their sides (called ‘spiracles’), so no need for a mouth or nose!
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  • The world’s heaviest cockroach species is the giant burrowing cockroach. They live underground in Queensland and can live up to 10 years. I have an 8 year old pet burrowing roach named ‘Skelly’.

Cockroaches come in a variety of colours and patterns, including some absolute stunners. See the pics in the comments below for some beautiful roaches.

Mypathtriedtokillme · 26/11/2020 08:15

Cockroaches aren’t a big deals.
In my family they are casually stunned then pick up with some loo paper and flushed.

They are natures cleaners.
Imagine how gross the world would be if we had no bugs to get rid of all the crumbs and dead things.

I think super cheap share flatting cured me of all fear. Once you have lived in a Place with microwave cockroach time (ie a roach living in the microwave clock because it’s nice and warm) and a skittering floor when you come home after a night out and turn the light on to a literally moving floor and all you do it get a glass of water, walkout and flop into bed, your cured.

LemonTT · 26/11/2020 08:27

In your situation you need to get a residents action group together and then lobby your local councillor. Find out who is on the council housing committee and lobby them too. Get the local newspaper involved for added pressure. If your local council is Labour then contact their opposite number on the housing committee who will run with this to piss off Labour.

Get the issue on the agenda of the housing committee. They will call the council officials and let you challenge them face to face.

I know this because I once attended such a committee when doing work on a major redevelopment. This was one of the first items. The council officials were savaged and couldn’t get away with the standard excuses. They were told to act and return the next month.

What you have got to remember is that councillors get voted in by handfuls of people. If your residents group is up in arms then someone loses a seat. Lobbying will work.

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 26/11/2020 08:44

I have lived in the sub tropics and the big species (which we don’t have here) finding their way in is totally different from a serious infestation of the little ones multiplying within urban British flats Hmm

Outrageous for the council to have refused to deal with this in the first place. Cockroaches are never an isolated issue!

Is your council’s housing outsourced to a separate body for management? Have you been to your elected Cllrs as well as officers? Collecting signatures is the way to go and then contacting your local Cllrs as well as the Cllr who is responsible for housing.

Meanwhile I would spray all round your skirting boards, under and behind your appliances and under sofas with Deathlac . It forms a layer that kills them when they walk over it. So barricade your flat with it! Everywhere where you baby cannot crawl. I would also be spraying it on the landings.

Gobbycop · 26/11/2020 08:58

Contact your MP.

They're all useless but it might get the problem some attention.

LakieLady · 26/11/2020 08:59

Council's environmental health department. It would be good if several residents could raise this at around the same time, that way the council may accept that they've got to tackle the whole block, rather than just common areas.

If that fails to get you anywhere, it may be worth talking to Shelter or a CAB/law centre housing adviser. Back in the 1980's, there were loads of cases brought against a particular London council on this very matter.

One of the plaintiffs actually rocked up in court with cockroaches in a coffee tin, much to the alarm of the judge.

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