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To tell you that NHS dentist charges are rising..?

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Mrsmorton · 23/11/2020 21:20

So please write to your MP and ask them why they think this is a good idea.

To tell you that NHS dentist charges are rising..?
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MathsRocksMathsRocks · 24/11/2020 13:17

Why don't we make a contribution to other types of healthcare? Why don't I pay to see my GP? Why don't I have to pay part of my surgery or smear test?

Come and live in Jersey and you'll be paying for most of those! Smear tests only became free last year (before that it was £50-something at the GP, or around £20 with a nurse at the central women's health clinic).

All dentists here are private, but there is free treatment for under-16s available through the hospital dental department (if you can wait long enough to get an appointment!) and they will provide orthodontic care too if your child qualifies. However, from what I've read on MN and in general, it seems UK private dentists charge far more than ours do here - which makes me wonder if having 'competition' because they're all private actually helps to reduce the cost! Someone on a thread this morning was quoting £800 for a root canal treatment - my dentist does them for around £500 (and he's excellent!). Both my boys have had braces over the years, which was a couple of thousand in total, but we paid it off interest-free as and when - no one-off large bill (does that happen with private dentists in the UK? Genuinely don't know!) Most dentists will do check-ups for children for free if they go with a parent who is paying for a check-up for themselves.

All GP appointments are charged (currently around £47 per appointment - and that's subsidised by the States of Jersey, it would be nearer £70 otherwise) unless you're in receipt of state aid (which runs differently to the UK mainland because we have our own powers of legislation) or on a reduced income, in which case you''ll be seen for free or a reduced charge. Children are either free or half price (all surgeries have their own system for charging for children). You can always get a same-day appointment though, usually with your own GP as well. Referrals on to the hospital are free of charge, as is A&E and any hospital treatment you need if you can't afford to go private (although many firms have health insurance as a 'perk').

Amazingly, it's not often you hear people complaining. Those that can pay do, and those who are genuinely struggling can get free or reduced-cost treatment one way or another.

I know it's anathema to people on the mainland, but paying for GPs and dentists isn't the huge evil it's made out to be. Be grateful you don't live in Guernsey - they generally must have private health insurance just to call an ambulance (or be charged for it). Even in Jersey calling an ambulance is free! Grin

DianeChambers · 26/11/2020 07:00

@Porcupineinwaiting

Tbh you should feel bloody lucky you can get a place with an NHS dentist. They are rarer than hens teeth round here. How about campaigning to widen access?
And even those of use who have places at an NHS dentist have been effectively told to fuck off this entire year until well into next.

I’ll be pissed off if dentists are included in the nhs pay rises for their contribution this year. Pissed off indeed.

AlwaysCheddar · 26/11/2020 07:18

I can only get a check up if I see the hygienist which I have to pay for, and dont want to, so no check ups for me and kids until next year. Apparently seeing 2 people is less risky than seeing 1!!!! Twats

Weirdfan · 26/11/2020 07:29

It's the 'working poor' who will suffer again though isn't it? Those who work so aren't entitled to free dentist care but can't afford a private dentists prices Hmm

Sycamor · 26/11/2020 07:42

@DianeChambers I'm an NHS dentist. My contribution this year has been both in my practice and at the urgent care centre to be dressed head to toe in plastic, heavy reusable respirator mask and visor, standing in a fog of aerosol, which "hopefully" doesn't contain covid. And to do it again, and again and again multiple times a day. I see the despair in my staff at what they are being asked to do. During the first wave we were open for face to face care with no track and trace seeing emergencies and relieving pain.

The number of patients we can see has reduced only because we are trying to keep everyone safe. We are not transferring patients to private care.

I feel my team have contributed.

notheragain41 · 26/11/2020 07:51

I feel my team have contributed

How is it a contribution if the vast majority of the population can't access dental care? Particularly when it's NHS patients who have been kicked to the curb? And in my case at least, have had extremely poor communication to boot.

Teachers keeping my kids in school is a contribution, without PPE I hasten to add, wearing uncomfortable PPE which largely protects yourself from your much smaller numbers of patients (rather than full classes!!), many of whom are paying, does not quite seem comparable to me.

Fifthtimelucky · 26/11/2020 09:40

The slogan 'Our patients shouldn't have to pay more, just so Ministers can pay less' is ridiculous. The cost of NHS dentists isn't paid by ministers. It's paid for by taxpayers!

As others have said, the biggest issue with NHS dentistry, is finding somewhere that will offer it. That's a real problem for those who are entitled to free treatment. When I moved here over 20 years ago I was entitled to free treatment because I was pregnant, but I couldn't get it because there were no NHS dentists. I was able to pay, so did, but many others aren't in that position.

Fortunately my dentist did see my children free on the NHS (when they were young enough to qualify).

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 26/11/2020 09:51

I’ve got teeth like chalk, no matter how much l clean and look after them.

My dental fees run at about £500quid a year ( this year excluding) . That’s a lot of money to find every year.

Even with dentists closed this year I’ve spent about £300.

I can’t an insurance plan as I’m too expensive. And my teeth consistently need more work.

Before lock down l never managed to make it to the 6 month allotted appointment time. I’d get toothaches, or a filling or tooth would break. I forked out 200 quid for a cap on a front tooth that snapped when l ate a lolly.

I then had to have the tooth removed 200 quid
Pay for a temporary denture 200 quid
Pay for a bridge 200 quid

800 quid in about 11 months.

So l think the fees are very high

Mrsmorton · 26/11/2020 12:22

@DianeChambers I'm not sure how many different ways I can explain this... (the vast vast majority of) dentists are not paid a salary by the NHS. They are contracted to provide a certain amount of work.

Amongst other things, this explains why they can't be redeployed in the same way that NHS employees are. They are not employed by the NHS, they are self employed subcontractors.

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Porcupineinwaiting · 26/11/2020 12:24

You dont have to be "working poor" to struggle to pay private dentists charges @Weirdfan. I'd say we are pretty comfortably off but find it hard to just magic up £800 for a root canal (even extraction was £400).

182Seesee · 26/11/2020 12:31

@Porcupineinwaiting is that not what things like denplan are for then? Surely if ppl aren't on a low wage should compensate by investing in a dental insurance plan?!

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 26/11/2020 12:35

I can’t get a denplan. I’m too expensive😕

Porcupineinwaiting · 26/11/2020 12:39

@182Seesee that was on top of my dental plan!

182Seesee · 26/11/2020 12:40

@Porcupineinwaiting that's awful!! 😭

Porcupineinwaiting · 26/11/2020 12:45

It is. But marginally less so than the toothache that preceded it.

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