Schools should close for 2 weeks after the Christmas mixing

[OverTheRainbow88]

I think that schools should remain closed for face to face teaching 2-3 weeks after the end of the period in which Boris will allow families to all mix.

I don’t want to be in a classroom with 30 different kids 5 times a day who’ve mixed inside with all different family members and friends.

I say online learning until mid Jan, if Boris will allow us all to mix at Christmas

@Meowmeow2020

Can you link as couldnt find anything? Not newspapers etc tho proper data

Well they’ve been reported to the National Statistics Authority for deliberate misinterpretation but here’s the thread breaking down the ONS data from October.

twitter.com/sarahdrasmussen/status/1330294388354899969?s=21

Can you link as couldnt find anything? Not newspapers etc tho proper data

Your “this is interesting” and the above comment....you know it’s transparent, yes?

This isn’t a game for us. Engage with what we are saying, or leave us alone. What do you think about my post re curriculum delivery?

@Meowmeow2020

Can you link as couldnt find anything? Not newspapers etc tho proper data

could you also provide "proper data"?

Where did you get that picture? Link please

Where did you get that picture? Link please

Read the Twitter thread.

Overthe, I mentioned the ppe as a response to someone else.

I actually think pupils and teachers should be in masks too.

We aren’t planning on mixing with anyone. I’m not prepared to ‘choose’ who in our family is most important so we aren’t seeing anyone. So yes, I want my kids to return to school at the beginning of January

The problem with returning immediately after Christmas is that it will just hasten school closures due to staff sickness. You reap what you sow.

A better solution would be to bring in adequate protection measures - masks, proper distancing, testing, immediate sending home of kids with symptoms & associated classmates, cleaning, opening windows & alternating attendance rotas in hotspots.

I looked at the Twitter feed and tbh I couldn’t see that table in there either. What are they percentages of? Is it new data, the supermarkets were pretty high too and I thought they all had screen and face coverings now. I suspect in HCP figures they are including staff working remotely. Also of those who were in high risk environments in the first lockdown quite a large number have already had covid and have antibodies. I’m not sure comparison of occupations is that useful as a measure. I don’t remember seeing anything about how many NHS staff ad antibodies to covid, perhaps comparing that would be more meaningful

It's funny how it's not useful when it shows education staff are at risk, yet was widely reported (and viewed as useful) when claimed to be showing teachers were not at any significant risk.

It’s difficult to say whether it’s helpful or not since there’s no explanation of what that table actually shows! It looks like other staff are split into sectors because it specifically lists hospital, not healthcare, and supermarket not retail. Comparing infection rate in hospital staff who have been exposed to covid since March and thus a high percentage have already had it and have antibodies, to schools which only opened fully in September shows what? It’s not comparing like with like in my opinion, but it really depends on what it is actually showing! Is it infection rate or mortality. If it’s mortality or harm it’s totally different in its interpretation

While I understand what you are saying, unless you go to a total lockdown after Christmas, it won't make that much difference in the long run. Those who attend large gatherings despite health dangers will come back to their communities and spread the virus, regardless. It's a good thought, but if ONLY schools are closed, it's a drop in the bucket.

Oh so let our children suffer the consequences of the adults actions again?

Don't we want our children to have a bright future? Let their education suffer so that us adults can meet up for a social gathering? Let their mental health suffer as a result of the lack of socialising and being stuck at home, again?

Get a grip!

Get a grip!
That should be directed at the Government, who have made the decision to allow social mixing, teachers have not made that ridiculous decision.

Personally, I don’t know any teacher that would rather socially mix for 5 days over Christmas than teach.

I agree. Im NHS. Every patient who comes into A and E gets tested. Apparently 80% have tested positive...so they are the super spreaders. Asymptomatic mostly.

Anyone going to a large gathering this Christmas is nuts. Im not going to my 70 year old dad's like I normally would and i am rather looking forward to a quiet one. So is he as normally he insists on doing the big roast with his partner...break for everyone.

Anyone going to a large gathering this Christmas is nuts.

I agree!!!

The rules seem mad though, so in tier 2 I can’t go into someone’s house (ok, I’m fine either that) but I can go to an indoor gig with 1,000.

80% if children i mean.

@Beverley71

We aren’t planning on mixing with anyone. I’m not prepared to ‘choose’ who in our family is most important so we aren’t seeing anyone. So yes, I want my kids to return to school at the beginning of January

If only all the other millions of parents did the same.

We can hope I guess.

This whole thing about " saving Christmas" makes me sick too....what is wrong with a low key affair for once? People saying it is not fair if we can't mix! Well time to man/ woman up!
The thing that worries me is the economy...i spose when shops open it may help stop the sink from further sinking...online is key now.

@BungleandGeorge

It’s difficult to say whether it’s helpful or not since there’s no explanation of what that table actually shows! It looks like other staff are split into sectors because it specifically lists hospital, not healthcare, and supermarket not retail. Comparing infection rate in hospital staff who have been exposed to covid since March and thus a high percentage have already had it and have antibodies, to schools which only opened fully in September shows what? It’s not comparing like with like in my opinion, but it really depends on what it is actually showing! Is it infection rate or mortality. If it’s mortality or harm it’s totally different in its interpretation

Sorry I went to bed last night. This data was all over the news a few days ago. It shows the most common places visited before getting a positive test.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-supermarkets-most-common-place-23037109

I think the schools will be forced to close due to staff absences.

If there was a vote for the entire country whether we should have schools closed for 2 weeks or mix over Xmas I think most people would say they want to mix over Xmas.

I don’t think you can have it both ways and if that’s the case I’d rather have 2 solid weeks of proper lockdown than these half lockdowns that drag on.

We have no plans to mix with anyone at Christmas other than my mil who lives alone and is in our bubble anyway.

It will be a low key family Christmas and I'm
actually really looking forward to it. So, no, I don't want my kids to miss any more school if we can help it and I can't take leave in January anyway - it's our busiest month with no leave allowed for our department.

I get where the op is coming from. The few cases at my sons secondary school all popped up after the October holidays. But even if we did shut the schools how many would do proper self isolation?

Haven't RTFT but I understand your concern OP.

Sometimes I think they are insisting on "opening up" for Christmas just because they anticipate people would ignore them anyway.

My parents are vulnerable and honestly I'm not super super close to my siblings. We get along fine but we don't really socialise except when visiting my parents. As they are as I said vulnerable I won't be risking mixing multiple households. I'd rather them both be here next Christmas and will probably arrange some kind of zoom call

I do sympathise though with people who want to "save Christmas". I didn't at first, but I am young and have a partner and young children all living with me. If I was isolated I can imagine it would be a dreadful time, we already here every hear about people who have no family and nowhere to go, add to that scores of people who can't visit family they do have and an understand why people would want to avoid that, even though objectively I feel like it's the wrong thing to do