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We are in week eight of nursery settling in... and counting.

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BertieBotts · 19/11/2020 21:52

I am starting to go a little bit mad so I thought I would do a post. I thought if people are interested I can update every day and maybe I won't feel so crazy if everyone is rooting for us.

We live in Germany. I had been warned by other expat friends to expect a long settling period. What I did not expect was eight weeks of madness. German kindergartens employ a method of settling in called the Berlin Method, where you start out staying with the child for a short time so that they get to know the place, then you sit in a corner being boring while they go off and have fun with a designated staff member, and then eventually you leave and start bringing them for short periods on their own. It is supposed to take 2-6 weeks. I think we might be trapped in the longest one in history. I wonder if he will be settled in by Christmas?

DS2 is 2 years old.

I will do a little summary for you.

Week 1, day one: DS2 very excited to come and play at Kita. We sat in the art room. He investigated scissors, a broom and some crayons. We stayed for 90 minutes! He told me I could go home after 15 minutes. I foolishly thought this was a good sign.

Week 1, day two: Today DS2 discovered the construction room (cars, trains, building blocks). This is the best day of his life. We were allowed to stay for 1 hour today. He starts to actually talk to his keyworker, especially when she speaks English to him.

We alternated between the construction room and dining room for the whole of week 1. We did not advance past an hour.

Week 2: DS2 poorly and has to spend the week at home.

Week 3: After a successful first day, I actually get to leave for the first time. I am instructed to leave for 30 minutes. The rest of the week goes well and it stretches out to 90 minutes. I start bringing him later so he can participate in circle time. I notice his keyworker is speaking 100% English to him now with the odd German word.

Week 4: On Monday DS2 suddenly connects the fact that we're approaching Kita with the realisation I'm going to abandon him and breaks into heartbreaking sobs. However as the week goes on he goes from "Nooooooooooo Kita" and trying to run away to waving manically and going "Byeeebyeemummyyyy" through tears. I feel horrible. DH gives us a lift one day and unhelpfully says "I don't know how you can cope with that face!" Miraculously by Friday he is managing to say goodbye. I am allowed to pick him up 30 minutes later to allow for him to have lunch there. When I pick him up I'm informed randomly that he's moving group next week and will be with a completely different keyworker. I'm confused but say OK. Apparently, he knows her, so I think this is probably fine.

Week 5: The Kita has gone into full Corona prevention measures which explains the group change. However, it turns out DS2 does not know/like/tolerate either of the staff members in his group. His group is also confined to the dining room. When he doesn't like an adult, his response is to pretend that they don't exist. I'm told we probably shouldn't lengthen the time yet, because he needs to get used to the new situation.

Week 6: It takes until halfway through this week for DS2 to actually start acknowledging one of the workers in his group. He still refuses the other. OK-adult is tolerated. We have discovered goodbyes need to be as fast as possible. DS2 reinforces this by shouting "BYE BYE MUMMY" in a tone of "I'm only just holding it together here, hurry the fuck up and GO".

Week 7: He is ill for the whole week and has to stay at home.

Week 8: (This week). WE FINALLY GET TO LENGTHEN THE TIME. I am allowed to drop him off half an hour earlier, and pick him up half an hour later. Yay! I actually have time to go home instead of sit in a corridor! However they also decided on the same day that they would totally change all the groups around. Not-OK adult is staying with their group. OK-adult is moving to the baby room. However, his original keyworker that he liked is going to be part of his group. I never see her, though. I am only allowed to interact with his least favourite adult. They inform me that he hates all of this change and we need to reduce the time I am leaving him for so that he can get used to it again, and also so that they can feed him lunch earlier, because they've suddenly started giving it an hour later and he is most displeased about this.

I have to pick him up earlier tomorrow anyway, because I have work in the afternoon. So they are happy with this. He seemed happy and covered in dirt today. I will update you tomorrow.

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ArchbishopOfBanterbury · 23/11/2020 21:23

Oh, I stayed for 1 hour, once, from then on dropped him at the line by the door, for an hour, then 2, then half day x 2, then a full day.

BertieBotts · 23/11/2020 21:37

Oh Hahabonk thank you so much! It is very nice to hear I'm not alone!

I will keep going with it - I'm not about to pull him out and I do like it overall as I said. I will be happy if we get to stick with the original keyworker.

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BertieBotts · 25/11/2020 21:26

Well it's all gone to shit again today.

Saw the original keyworker on Monday, who was positive. Saw a totally new one on Tuesday who was friendly. I asked about what the general plan was and she said I need to speak to his keyworker (who is the one he doesn't really like at all). Dropped him off this morning with the new one again today.

When I went to pick him up his keyworker is there, I'm relieved I finally get to speak to her, but she is annoyed and asking me why I am picking him up late when we agreed he would go for half an hour less. I explained that I'd discussed it with someone on Monday and she said to pick him up at this time. She wants to reduce the time again. There followed some back and forth where she painted a horrible picture, that DS2 is crying all day, nobody is allowed to get near him to comfort him, nobody understands what he's saying to them etc. I explained I just want to know what the plan is long term because currently I can't work and if I can't work then it's hard to pay for the Kita place. She eventually reluctantly agreed to keep him until 1pm again tomorrow, but clearly doesn't think this is correct. I walked away and started crying as soon as I was out of the gate. I just feel so frustrated and I don't understand why she is giving me such different messages to the other staff members (or DS2 himself for that matter - he loves going and is trying to leave the house early most mornings.)

DH picked us up and then suggested I try and write an email and set up a meeting with the boss and/or keyworker that isn't taking place within the 5 mins I need to pick him up and see if we can make any improvements. I've spoken to my expat mum group tonight as well and they agree.

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LittleMissLockdown · 25/11/2020 21:45

that DS2 is crying all day, nobody is allowed to get near him to comfort him

Why on earth can't they go and comfort him! Your poor boy, they sound utterly clueless about the best interests of the children they look after. Sad

I would definitely request a meeting, it sounds like they dont talk to each other and they have no idea on a plan to help him settle. I hope you manage to get someone to listen.

SnackSizeRaisin · 25/11/2020 22:05

It sounds like a bad nursery to me. The whole point of settling in sessions is for the child to get used to 1 or 2 members of staff so they feel safe when left. So swapping staff constantly is going to be hugely counterproductive. It suggests they are either really disorganized or have a high staff turnover. Or maybe they just don't know what they are doing.

I think British nurseries go a bit too fast sometimes, but I have just done settling in with my 18 month old, 4 sessions over 2 weeks, leaving her after half an hour each time, and she was genuinely happy there today (seen on remote camera). Same room and same staff member each time. I don't think it should take 6 weeks if they do it properly, for the majority of children anyway.

BertieBotts · 25/11/2020 22:26

Oh, she said that he won't let them comfort him/he pushes them away, sorry, I worded that badly!

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BertieBotts · 25/11/2020 22:28

I do want to ask them to just give him back to the original staff member! I just don't want to come across as a bitch asking for that (or maybe I should??)

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TheRubyRedshoes · 25/11/2020 22:49

Poor little lad, I was thinking this is a good way of doing it!
Gently let them settle in because isn't there a shut down acceptance mode they go into? I know there is a technical name for it but I can't find remember what it is.
Even if the nursery was operating in a different way, his feelings would be the same but you just wouldn't see it.

He isn't ready yet surely?

BertieBotts · 25/11/2020 23:28

Not super helpful, but thanks Confused

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BertieBotts · 25/11/2020 23:32

The thing is, I don't believe he is sitting there crying all day. I could quite imagine he is asking when will Mummy come back or just saying he wants Mummy to come back (he doesn't really ask questions yet) but sometimes I get back a bit early and I lurk around the corner and look through the window of the baby room through into the room he's in and I can usually see him running back and forth from different toys totally happy, stopping at the table, eating a bit of lunch. He generally comes back covered in dirt/paint/food, and with a report of having done something, and I think if he was sat there crying the whole time and not being able to be consoled, they'd phone me.

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haircutsRus · 25/11/2020 23:36

Oh blimey, what a palaver. They are really not handling this at all well. I would have thought that the whole point of an extended settling-in period is that a familiar routine is established. That isn't happening, and to be honest I would be starting to get rather cross.

Poor little boy, he doesn't know whether he's on his arse or his elbow, does he?

Porcupineinwaiting · 25/11/2020 23:36

I'm inclined to agree OP. I dont think he'd be nearly so eager to go if he hated it.

Callingallskeletons · 25/11/2020 23:38

Jesus I know it’s probably not feasible but I think Id be trying to find a new nursery OP, they sound absolutely useless - no wonder Ds is struggling to settle when they keep messing with the staffing so much!

TicTacTwo · 25/11/2020 23:42

My kids went to Kindergarten in Germany when they turned 3 and there was no settling sessions. Shock They spoke barely any German and the teachers knew no English.

BertieBotts · 25/11/2020 23:54

DS1 didn't have much of a settling in process. I went in to fill in forms, they invited him to play with a train set, he was having so much fun they suggested I go to the supermarket for half an hour and that was that!

But that was a Kindergarten for kids age 3-6 and mornings only. This is a Kindertagästette, (Kita) or daycare, for children aged 0-6 and full days. It's treated differently.

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Hardbackwriter · 26/11/2020 09:44

Well apparently yes, there is evidence - they sent me a load of stuff by email. Apparently kids who do this settling in method get ill less often over the following year (among other benefits, but that was the one that surprised me).

Did this stuff they sent mention continuity of care/getting used to one person? If so I'd try and gently point out that your DS isn't getting that. I definitely think you need a meeting.

BertieBotts · 26/11/2020 10:08

Good point. I will look that up.

Drop off went a bit better today, they found someone to speak to me in English so I was able to pass on the info about his nap time and explaining what to expect to him. In turn they explained that the part he has a hard time with is circle time where they all sit around and talk/sing. My older child never liked that, either. They are going to try putting him down for a nap this afternoon and if he doesn't want to sleep try some quiet time with a book instead.

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Hardbackwriter · 26/11/2020 10:20

This sounds a bit like they're confusing settling in in terms of being comfortable with the separation from you and settling in in terms of him loving every aspect of the nursery routine? I can see why a very staggered/gradual start would help with the former but not the latter. In some ways given that most nurseries have very predictable routines (which most children like) then he's more likely to get used to the ebb and flow of the day and that bits he doesn't like (like circle time) are followed by bits he does, etc., if he's there for the same hours each time, so constant early pick-ups etc seem counter-productive?

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