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To think Christmas should not be treated differently from Eid and Diwali?

378 replies

RUNFAST11 · 18/11/2020 14:04

We are hearing the government could allow a few days meeting during Christmas. While I understand this may be necessary, this could lead to spikes of COVID again and put pressure on the NHS (nearly 600 deaths yesterday) we aren't out of the woods yet.

When it was Eid in May Muslims were warned not to congregate and meet other households. A similar message was said in Diwali to have a stay at home Diwali.

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Shuddawuddacudda · 18/11/2020 23:40

So is Christmas Wink

Shuddawuddacudda · 18/11/2020 23:42

@DayKay

The more time that goes on, the more we learn and the better the survival rate. My friend is well aware that if she’d caught Covid back in April, she most likely wouldn’t have survived. She has school aged kids too. thankfully, we have made progress and hopefully continue to do so.
Where did your friend pick up coronavirus? Was she not obeying the rules?
SheepandCow · 18/11/2020 23:42

The only reason we'd have to look at another year is if people aren't willing to do a shorter period of restrictions. That unwillingness is what drags it out (and causes so much harm and distress to our frontline healthcare workers). Dreadful economic consequences, as well as many avoidable deaths. Btw Long Covid is as much an economic issue as a health one.

SheepandCow · 18/11/2020 23:44

@DayKay

The more time that goes on, the more we learn and the better the survival rate. My friend is well aware that if she’d caught Covid back in April, she most likely wouldn’t have survived. She has school aged kids too. thankfully, we have made progress and hopefully continue to do so.
Yes she's lucky we had restrictions when she caught it. Otherwise, with many additional patients, she might not have got a hospital bed.
DayKay · 18/11/2020 23:45

@Shuddawuddacudda she was following the rules. She has school aged kids and wasn’t doing anything that wasn’t Covid secure or against rules. She has no idea where she caught it or who in her family caught it first as they all got it but she had it the worst.

walksen · 18/11/2020 23:46

"No, they wouldn't. They specifically and deliberately brought in more restrictions at 11:30pm the night before eid"

True as this is and much as many families abided by those restrictions , a significant proportion ignored them.

A significant proportion at Xmas is probably millions of people flouting restrictions and when they are not enforced, maybe deciding to ignore more restrictions going forward.

The government have to make a pragmatic decision about how to manage the Xmas spike in cases...

ForeveronEtsy · 18/11/2020 23:46

Doesn’t the fact that more people celebrate Christmas make it more important to have restrictions?? Seeing as we are trying to control a deadly virus. YANBU. Why do people think one day is justification for losing your grandparents? I know which I would rather not have.

Sertchgi123 · 18/11/2020 23:46

Agreee 100%

Shuddawuddacudda · 18/11/2020 23:47

[quote DayKay]@Shuddawuddacudda she was following the rules. She has school aged kids and wasn’t doing anything that wasn’t Covid secure or against rules. She has no idea where she caught it or who in her family caught it first as they all got it but she had it the worst.[/quote]
Just goes to prove my point. Lockdown ain't gonna stop this virus.

DayKay · 18/11/2020 23:49

@Shuddawuddacudda true but it gives those who catch it a better survival rate due to lower numbers in hospitals.

SheepandCow · 18/11/2020 23:50

No Shuddawuddacudda
It suggests schools should be closed (which they would be in a proper lockdown, except for keyworker kids). Or at least implement more Covid safe measures (as per the WHO guidelines).

Shuddawuddacudda · 18/11/2020 23:52

Oh just lock everyone up for another year then?
I think lockdown has gotten to you and you've lost the plot.

Shuddawuddacudda · 18/11/2020 23:54

Children have regressed in all subjects I heard from a recent report.
My friend is a psychologist who works with children with autism. She has a massive overload of children unable to cope with lockdown.

Think of the impact this wonderful lockdown is having on things other than coronavirus.

Serin · 18/11/2020 23:54

No one should be forced to spend Christmas alone, or any of the other festivals that are hugely significant to people.
But neither should there be huge parties.
I haven't seen my DMum or my uni kids for months now. It's getting to me now.

MercyBooth · 18/11/2020 23:59

There seems to be an assumption here that everyone will be having huge parties. Judging people by their own previous standards perhaps?

SheepandCow · 19/11/2020 00:05

@Shuddawuddacudda

Children have regressed in all subjects I heard from a recent report. My friend is a psychologist who works with children with autism. She has a massive overload of children unable to cope with lockdown.

Think of the impact this wonderful lockdown is having on things other than coronavirus.

It's very varied. Interestingly I read an article this week. About school refusing ASD children. Lockdown has been a Godsend. They're not being pressured into unwanted social interaction. Instead they've flourished with unpressured family time.
DioneTheDiabolist · 19/11/2020 00:11

YABU OP. Christmas in the UK is not comparable to Eid, Diwali or Easter, which you failed to mention for some reason.Hmm

Christmas is a necessity for many businesses.
It is celebrated by all faiths and none.
It is the biggest movement of people as many plan to travel "home".
It is a time of greater risk for those with MH issues and those at risk from domestic violence.

Given all this, it would be stupid and negligent of the government to treat it like it's just another religious holiday.

DayKay · 19/11/2020 00:12

I think that places should be open, but mask wearing should be expected everywhere, including schools. This would keep numbers low and people could then visit family.

Vivi0 · 19/11/2020 00:27

I will be hosting Christmas for my family, the same as I do every year.

11 people, 5 households.

I really don’t care.

Likeynolight · 19/11/2020 01:16

Do ya think 100% everyone agreed to the rules for Eid and Diwali?

I know tons of people who flouted rules for Eid in May and Diwali last weekend.

Just because they're religious holidays doesn't mean that they don't celebrate Christmas too.

They do.

I have friends who have families from all different backgrounds and religions but they'd all still celebrate Christmas and Eid or Diwali too.

Its also a time for parents to be able to spend time with family and children.

It could be the only time in the year where people have a break because they can't work over the Christmas period.

Don't you think we've all sacrificed enough this year regardless?

I live in an area that was bad for cases a month ago and now its already come down so much.

Its sad people have lost their lives during this pandemic but people die everyday too of other things.

The mental challenges of coronavirus has been worse than the physical sides of many.

Knowing that Christmas could go ahead and we could see families etc and not have the fear of being fined or having twitchy curtain neighbours ready to snitch on you is something that is keeping most people going and looking forward to.

Pixxie7 · 19/11/2020 01:24

People will still buy gifts and celebrate whether or not they can see each other, for most people Christmas is about families getting together. The others are more about religion.
Given the current climate of discrimination I think that the rules should be determined dependant on the situation the country is in regarding the R rate etc, not on the festival concerned.

Goosefoot · 19/11/2020 01:36

Who's asking for that? The rule breaking drags it out yes (because stricter lockdown sooner would've meant less or no isolation by now), but we have an end in sight. Vaccines are coming. Not immediately for everybody but it's happening.

It's not really very clear that is entirely true. Had they gone a week earlier, maybe it would have helped, but not necessarily by much. And a stricter lockdown would have begun to have some significant problems caused by it.

Where I live Covid arrived later than it did in teh UK, and they managed to time the restrictions well, in part because the authorities had been able to see how things went in other places. The lockdown itself was very similar in scope to yours, other than there was a significant travel ban outside our region - possible mainly because of our geographical situation, but it kept us separated from some more populated areas with bigger problems.

For several months there were few cases, all travel related and caught by isolation after travel. About as ideal as you could get. Things opened up but have been cautious, waiting to see what happens, masks mandated, etc. Now, however, we have numbers climbing again, and community spread - they are thinking the second wave will peak in January, probably similar numbers or more than before.

A vaccine may, if we are all lucky, appear in the Spring, but it is going to take some real doing, and time, to roll it out widely, no matter how well it goes. If it's been done before next Christmas I will be surprised.

newstart1337 · 19/11/2020 01:36

They are just not the same thing. Eid and Diwali are minority religious events. Christmas is a British family celebration, for everyone, and has nothing to do with religion. There are just some things more important that a virus or a lockdown.

Goosefoot · 19/11/2020 01:38

@ForeveronEtsy

Doesn’t the fact that more people celebrate Christmas make it more important to have restrictions?? Seeing as we are trying to control a deadly virus. YANBU. Why do people think one day is justification for losing your grandparents? I know which I would rather not have.
There are quite a few grandparents that don't feel they rather not see their kids, or grandkids, and risk not seeing them next year because they have died in the meantime.
user1477391263 · 19/11/2020 02:08

I am more concerned about education and helping businesses to survive. We can cope with doing Xmas "differently" this year.