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Neighbours extension and rats

27 replies

Oelii · 13/11/2020 08:07

New neighbours have built a new extension to their kitchen, pretty light-blocking and I’ve had to raise the fence to avoid being stared at from a window a few feet from the fence. I’ve ignored the annoyance, but background to me already not feeling warm to them is this, the mess they made of the shared alley during it and the constant requests for this like access getting annoying. They have made demands I’ve refused like huge metal gates to the alley way to ‘secure it’, when I was totally cool with the high wooden gates we had (in the end I allowed it to be drilled into my wall, but said I wouldn’t pay as I didn’t want it). They always had something to ask or want.

They have apparently on a few occasions seen rats in their kitchen and are obsessed with the idea it’s from our side. I’ve lived here decades and never seen a rat or rat droppings, nothing more than the rare field mouse when the weather drops- and that’s every few years. No signs of any pests, no pets here. It’s a bare and tidy garden, no decking etc- small patio then grass in a small garden.

They keep dropping off quotes for shared work to eliminate that they are booking for ‘our rat problem’ and have told us tunnels have been found leading to our property so they come from there. My garden is very bare with patio. I lifted a few slabs on my patio to one bit they pointed at, I did find a dead-end tunnel from the fence a few feet long but it went nowhere. I’m pretty confident there’s no tunnel maze under us leading to them.

They keep writing long emails about how distressed the wife is and how fearful they are etc. I’ve been sending calm replies I have never seen a rat, and I have even looked around the house for any signs. It’s guilt tripping and pretty expensive. Aibu to tell them to go away far more firmly? They are really doing my head it.

Key background: their extension was built over a drain, or nearly on top, that is the end point of drains for mulitple terrace houses. I’ve seen it being unblocked before with the old neighbours and moved panels for the water board to access it better as my gate is wider. It comes from the other direction to mine, and my water water drains away from them down an incline. To me that disturbance surely seems the possible cause.

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makingmammaries · 13/11/2020 08:28

Have you pointed out to them that they built their extension over a drain? I think you can definitely tell them that you too are 'distressed' by the finger-pointing and don't see any reason to think it is your responsibility. They need to look elsewhere for the problem, which seems to coincide with the construction of their extension.

Oelii · 13/11/2020 08:33

I have, but apparently the people they’ve had in assure them that the drain isn’t the issue. They are a bit coy. The extension to me looks a little different to the plans, for example the window at the end curves around, which is how it overlooks me, I remember the plan a window just being at the end looking down the garden. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a bit longer too, as it’s beyond the length of my extension (and original feature, my house and next door the other side are the only terraces with original extensions at the back). Other who have extended are a bit shorter, same length as mine, is always presumed that’s where the drain pipe line is.

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Oelii · 13/11/2020 08:34

They also bombard you back with stories of distress and fear if you make a simple comment. Like how she saw a rat, couldn’t sleep, they can’t put the baby down and are worried it could lead to full PND....

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MaskingForIt · 13/11/2020 08:43

If there are rats in their house they need to block up any rat-sized holes in their house. It really is that simple. Rats can’t disapparate through brick walls.

Reply with “I’m sorry to hear you have a rat problem. We do not have a rat problem. Good luck sorting out your rat problem”. If they message again “please do not contact me again about your rat problem”.

Pigletpoglet · 13/11/2020 08:53

Are they victorian properties? It's always the drains! The drains are in sections, and usually made of terracotta or something similar. The sections move apart when they are disturbed by building work, leaving a space for rats to enter them. The rats then go up the drains and into the building. You can buy one way valves for drains that allow the rats to exit, but not enter. They do need regular checking though, because they can get blocked by sewage coming down the pipes...

Phillipa12 · 13/11/2020 09:02

Do they have any bird feeders or fruit trees or a water source like a pond? I live in a victorian terrace and both neighbours either side had bird feeders and grew veg, I used to watch the little fuckers,well some were not so little casually stroll across my garden to get their breakfast. One set of neighbours were lovely, the other set swore blind that only birds ate the food they put out till I showed them video evidence.

MyOwnSummer · 13/11/2020 09:09

It is infuriating when you're trying to have a polite, sensible discussion about a practical issue and people insist on bringing emotional and personal stuff into it.

If you did that at work, you wouldn't have a job for very long. Honestly, it depends how much of a relationship is left to save but I interrupt them when they start up with the poor me bollocks and go back to the facts, never responding to or acknowledging the drama element. Hopefully they'll get the hint and stick to the facts. Failing that, I'd just disengage.

Oelii · 13/11/2020 09:19

Yep, Victorian properties. I reckon it’s that.

Small gardens, no ponds, bird feeding, undergrowth... boring plain small patches of tended grass.

I’ve suggested blocking up any howls they have!

I have PMT today and feel ragey in general, hence posting. They are ok neighbours, but not friends and a bit full on. I don’t want war but I’m up for not talking 🙄

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DartmoorDoughnut · 13/11/2020 09:25

Tell them to leave off about the rats or you’ll get the planning people in to look at their extension Grin

user1493413286 · 13/11/2020 09:28

Would it be worth having someone come in to check your property so that you can firmly say that you’ve had it checked and there’s no rat problem on your side? I don’t know how much that would cost though so maybe that’s not a good idea. I would respond saying that as far as you’re concerned you don’t have a rat problem so they are welcome to do as they wish and can come into your garden for that (if you don’t mind that) but you don’t need to have a role in it. Then after that don’t respond any more.

Oelii · 13/11/2020 09:28

Lol @DartmoorDoughnut
The area has hugely gentrified in the last 5 years or so. That’s what would’ve happened before, but it’s all happy road WhatsApp groups now and jumble trails etc. I have a feeling being a pariah maybe more of a group effort and awkward now...
10 years ago with old neighbours it would’ve been: ‘fuck off’, ‘no you fuck off!’ and mutually pretending we never saw each other.... (they did get the council round to inspect our loft extension!)

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Oelii · 13/11/2020 09:30

@user1493413286 I know that makes sense, but I’m loathe to spend money I don’t have, especially when it may not resolve it. If I had a rat problem I’d have dropping or some chew marks, I even took the plinths off in the Kitchen and has a good look. It’s all clean and good.

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Oelii · 13/11/2020 09:31

I also don’t really give a shot about their extension, I just raised the fence panels then ignored it. I’d dread to think where complaining could lead... they appear to have time on their hands.

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DartmoorDoughnut · 13/11/2020 09:33

Shame! Maybe just tell them firmly along the lines of:

Dear twats neighbours

There are zero signs of rats on my property. I will not be investigating a non existent problem. If you have rat activity I would suggest it is because of the proximity of your extension to the drain. I will not be engaging in any more discussions about your rat issues.

Take care blah blah blah

Gingernaut · 13/11/2020 09:35

Complain to the council yourself.

State you neighbours have gone against planning permission and have disturbed the drains.

You've got damp/rats/strange smell and the plans look nothing like the permission request.

goody2shooz · 13/11/2020 09:36

Tell them you’ve changed your email address and ask them to use a new one(that you’ve made just for them), then you only have to check it once a year? (week/month depending how you feel!)

LongBlobson · 13/11/2020 09:37

We've just been dealing with a rat problem in our kitchen, we paid a private pest control company to sort it out.

Next door had just built an extension and straight away he said it'll be due to that. Apparently v often the building work disturbs the old sewer pipes, which crack and then rats can get out. They follow the pipes and find their way into houses. He said if you can get your thumb through a hole, a rat can get through it.

We ended up having cameras down the pipes to find the crack, and then the patio had to be dug up to fix it. No more rats since then.

If there was no problem before the extension was built, I'd place a bet that their own building work has damaged the pipe under their own property, and the rats are getting up out of the sewers into their kitchen.

anxiousanxiety · 13/11/2020 09:41

Contact the council, ask them to visit the site to make sure their extension conforms to the plans, mention covering a drain and the rat problem and ignore them in the meantime.

jessycake · 13/11/2020 09:54

In my area we are not allowed to build over the drains and have to have them rerouted . I would get the council to check they have complied with planning regs concidering they are being sucha pain in the ass.
I had rats in my garden once and it was because I was feeding birds. Is anyone local feeding them ?

SnakesandKnives · 13/11/2020 10:04

My neighbour has been keeping lunatic ninja chickens for a few years now. Aside from the mob raids they do on my garden (which is very funny!) the food etc has also attracted a rat. But it only seems to be one and it's been on its own for at least a year now. I feel a bit sorry for it :(. In no way does this contribute to the thread I know!

Your neighbours need to sort out their own problem.....

notapizzaeater · 13/11/2020 10:06

It's not your problem if next door is getting stressed about the rats, they need to sort it. Just keep telling them you haven't a problem therefore you won't be engaging.

dazzlinghaze · 13/11/2020 10:06

They sound so irritating. I would email back saying "This is the last time I will be discussing the matter. There are no rats/evidence of rats on my property so I will not be paying to resolve an issue I don't have. If you and your wife are distressed there is nothing preventing you from paying to have the issue dealt with. Hope you are able to get your rat issue sorted."

CFers, if there were no rats before they had their extension built it's quite clearly their building work that's caused the issue.

Elvesinquarantine · 13/11/2020 10:10

Ring the council. Leave it to them. Block ndn as responding is fuelling their complaining...

SonjaMorgan · 13/11/2020 10:15

I am sat here laughing that your neighbours seem to believe they can eradicate rats. They are everywhere. We have more issues with mice here but have had the little buggers in the house a few times.

So you pay half for a pest control guy to come out and then what? They need to take some responsibility; block up holes and put down traps.

TheOrigRights · 13/11/2020 10:30

Why don't they just pay the council to come and get rid of them if they're coming in their house.

They don't sound like they're hard up for money and it's not a big charge.

I've had to do this a couple of times; I live near a river. It's just one of those things.

Also had to pay to get a wasps nest removed. And then there was the squirrel in the loft. That bastard nearly was the final straw!