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To think this is just cringeworthy

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GoldfishParade · 13/11/2020 05:47

The Guardian talking to the scientist behind the Covid vaccine, Uğur Şahin. On the subject of his parents, the Guardian says:
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The couple, who met at university and have been married since 2002, are both children of Turkish migrants who moved toGermanyin the late 1960s. But the scientist bristled at the suggestion that he or his partner could become role models for a generation of Germans with migrant backgrounds.

“I am not sure I really want that. I think we need a global vision that gives everyone an equal chance. Intelligence is equally distributed across all ethnicities, that’s what all the studies show. As a society we have to ask ourselves how we can give everyone a chance to contribute to society. I am an accidental example of someone with a migration background. I could have equally been German or Spanish.”

No wonder he bristled. I think in their rush to be right on the Guardian sometimes gets it terribly terribly wrong. Why the hell are they shorehorning this in when the guy sounds like a great guy and is working on something so important? Why reduce thos scientist to some kind of paper poster boy? Why should he be a role model for anyone but all children? I just thought it was sad how this kind of soured the piece (for me anyway). Its almost like the guy is German (presumably, if his parents moved to Germany in the sixties), hes had this whole life journey and is working on this important thing, and then the literal bottom line is "but you are different, arent you?".

It almost feels like stuff like this is the left WANTING to be well meaning but actually has the opposite of the intended effect.

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BefuddledPerson · 13/11/2020 05:53

YABU for using this guy's story yourself to make a left vs right political point!

I'm interested in the question and interested in the reply and interested in the science he's working on.

Stop making every conversation into a left-bashing opportunity.

Kinsters · 13/11/2020 05:53

I agree. They are German. When the guardian say "people with migrant backgrounds" what they meant was "brown people". They would not have said the same if interviewing eg an American scientist whose parents moved to America from Germany in the 1960s.

It's lazy stereotyping of the industrious brown migrant made good and it does leave a bad taste in the mouth. I'm honestly not surprised at the guardian though.

BefuddledPerson · 13/11/2020 05:55

He's robust enough to challenge though, and his answer makes people think more than not asking surely. If the guardian was pushing their own view, they wouldn't have reported his response imo.

Ozgirl75 · 13/11/2020 07:24

I agree. My white husband and I (also white) moved to Australia from the U.K. and had two white children and I bet if they ever achieve something outstanding they won’t be referred to as “children of immigrants”.

sst1234 · 13/11/2020 07:33

Guardian is kind of person who sees skin colour before person and thinks they are enlightened.
On related note, in the same an article by the Owen Jones banging the drum about privatizing big pharma as creating the vaccine was just one thing, but all major inventions like this must be put in the hands of the state. This tab and it’s so called writers get more and more batshit every day.
Can you imagine a state owned pharma producing the vaccine record time or at all.

CovidAnni · 13/11/2020 07:57

It’s specific to Germany though isn’t it?
Turkish people living there have a specific ‘not complete citizenship’ however long they’ve been there.
^^ actually googling that it’s changed. But it’s not the same as for eg being a Brit in Australia

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