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AIBU to please ask you not to plough even more money into Amazon over this lockdown?

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schitter · 02/11/2020 16:01

I know, it's cheap and easy.
I know you probably need to find the lowest price you can.
I know it being delivered straight to your door is win win on non essential trips out.

But pleeeasssssse let's not make the richest man in the world any richer than he is already if you have any other option.
Even shopping online with the big high street retailers is better than lining JBs pockets.
Look at those little individual eBay shops that'll no doubt have exactly what you're looking for and you only have to wait a couple of days extra, it's not the end of the world.

Please look around you, please look what else is available.
Lots of your local shops have diversified into offering home delivery because their livelihoods depend on it.

My livelihood depends on it! My little business did 3% (yes, three percent) of its usual sales in April. I permanently laid off 4 staff and haven't made a penny personally since.
I feel sick at the thought.

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hopingforonlychild · 03/11/2020 11:09

I wish I could but
(a) I like ebooks as I can read on the go. So i have a kindle and buy ebooks from amazon
(b) I just got a hamster. I live in London and don't have a car. the pet stores near me are fairly small and don't have much stock (and when I say near, it means a trip on the tube). when i bought my hamster, I bought some food and bedding, some toys and treats etc but I couldn't carry all that and the hamster.I ordered a lot of the bulky stuff on Amazon. I am petite (five feet tall) and its not always easy for me to carry stuff.

Before I got a hamster and my kindle, I never shopped on Amazon.

Badbadbunny · 03/11/2020 11:09

I sympathise with small businesses, but some have only themselves to blame. We have a small independent hardware shop in our village. I've always tried to use it as my first port of call, but getting pretty fed up of them to be honest for a long time. Last year, I needed some white silicon filler - a pretty basic and common item - went to the hardware shop, no, they've only got black - no, they don't know when they'll have some in stock - so it's back home to order one from Amazon. Firstly, how do they run out of stock of a basic/common item, and secondly, how don't they know when they'll get it back in stock - not even a guess - they didn't say, "we get a delivery every Tuesday" or it's on order to come tomorrow, or whatever. That's not the only time - I've lived in the village for over 20 years and they're always the same - it's hit and miss whether they've got things in stock - sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. It's basic Business 101 to be consistent with your stock - if a shop wants customers, then they need to have what a customer wants, or needs a robust ordering system to order it in within a small number of days.

Same happened a few years ago with our town centre stationery shop (another independent). We used to have a fax machine, and would buy our fax rolls from this shop along with other office supplies. One day, a client sent through a ridiculously long fax which took all our paper (over a hundred sheets of A4). I went down to town in my lunch hour for a fax roll - the shelf was empty. So back to the office and ordered on Amazon for next day delivery! (And no, this wasn't recent and was in the days when fax rolls were a common/basic office commodity).

And I do know what I'm talking about. I was brought up in a convenience store owned by my parents and was serving customers/filling shelves etc from the age of about 9! Our number one rule was never to run out of stock. Whether it was a Mars Bar, a pack of Benson & Hedges, a pint of milk, or the Daily Mirror. My parents spent hours on stock control, stock ordering, etc. This was in the days before computerised tills and stock systems. They had book after book, page after page, of order/sale records of each product, going back years. My father had been a manager of a national chain supermarket in the 50's/60's so it was second nature to him. He'd even check the long range weather forecast to make sure we ordered enough seasonal/impluse items, ice cream and soft drinks for hot weather along with beach balls, fishing nets, buckets & spades, and more magazines, tea/coffee, DIY basics for cold weather. Anything that a customer asked for that we didn't have, was written into the diary, whether something we usually stocked or something we didn't stock. Having stock is number one priority. No good having a pile of Daily Mirrors if a customer wants The Sun. A lot of retail shops, both chains and independents, don't have that mindset and seem to think that people will buy something else - they won't, and worse, they won't come back either.

SBTLove · 03/11/2020 11:36

@Badbadbunny
You are spot on, I live in a small town and I’m
mystified by some of the independent shops, the hardware store is wonderful, has adapted through lockdown to online and deliveries, others even before this still live in the 50s with half days, shut Wednesday, shut early on a Saturday then moan they’re quiet!!
Retail whether high st or online is fiercely competitive and you have to adapt or be left behind.
Amazon is a lifeline to ppl shielding this year, wfh, they can remain at home and still get what they need.
You get a refund instantly from Amazon, none of this 28 days crap, it’s a great business and the staff conditions and pay are far better than similar in the field.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 03/11/2020 11:43

@Badbadbunny got it. I don't even bother going into some anymore. I've seen one business closing and doing this "the big 'us killed us" and as sorry as I felt (as a sme owner) for them, it was their own doing. Service was questionable, often actually verging on rude, basic stuff not in atock and once was told "Asda round the corner has it"🤷🏻

There are some absolutely cracking independents I happily support and pay bit more for the service they provide, but there are many who just don't measure up.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 03/11/2020 11:45

The best business I've seen adapting to lockdown was a local veg stall. Amazing work, went online, delivers great looking boxes. Kudos to them!

DeathMetalMum · 03/11/2020 11:50

Amazon have just opened a huge warehouse in our area. Where dp works they have had to make a number of redundancies of those made redundant i know a god few have been taken on at the new warehouse. I believe there's around 350 jobs been made at the warehouse. I know they are a huge company however like other big companies such as McDonalds and the local 'big' supermarkets they also employ local people. So I will continue to use them as I have always done.

MrsCat1 · 03/11/2020 11:58

I'm completely with you Op. I avoid Amazon except for my Kindle where I am tied in. There's nothing I need that I can't wait a few days extra for. I vote with my feet and consider what sort of world I want to live in. One where Amazon dominates world retail certainly isn't something I want to see. I now make a conscious effort to shop local where I can even if it is more expensive (which I am lucky to be able to afford).

Thisisworsethananticpated · 03/11/2020 11:59

Genuine question
Why are small business morally superior or better to large corporations ?

With all the people to worry about I truly question why a small business needs my support , when keeping my family and house and career afloat is so challenging

diplodocusinermine · 03/11/2020 12:02

For those saying Amazon employ 1000's. Not for much longer.
www.vox.com/recode/2019/12/11/20982652/robots-amazon-warehouse-jobs-automation

LittleMissLockdown · 03/11/2020 12:03

I vote with my feet and consider what sort of world I want to live in. One where Amazon dominates world retail certainly isn't something I want to see.

But surely you must understand by taking this stance you are actually saying I also don't want lots of small local businesses to survive?

I honestly dont think people understand the huge amount of the items sold on Amazon from small businesses. By deciding to unequivocally forego using amazon you are actively denying these businesses sales.

BadLad · 03/11/2020 12:04

Hmm, lower prices, free delivery faster than anywhere else, excellent service if I have any problems, a very user-friendly website and a vast range of products. I think I'll stick with Amazon.

Jimbellselmbath · 03/11/2020 12:05

I work in an Amazon warehouse and I can assure you, pay and conditions are fine.
I am on just short of £12 an hour, I do 4 x 10 hour shifts a week, with 80 minutes of break per shift and only 30 minutes of that is unpaid. All PPE provided. Many incentives weekly.
Overtime rates are 1.5x for 1st shift, double time for 2nd. You will not find another unskilled job around here being advertised for over minimum wage and certain skilled positions are not far above either.
The last job i interviewed for was an AAT qualified in the city centre at minimum wage and 200 applicants had applied before they closed it. After travel, I would've come out with less than half of what I do from Amazon and also working an extra day.
I spend my wage in the local farm shop, hairdressers, salon, fruit shop, had a local plasterer in last week, decorator this week. We eat out at local restaurants twice a week usually. And of course, I spend in aldi and m&s which provide other locals with jobs. I use my amazon discount frequently too Wink

To address the racist, yes most of the employees are 'forrin' and/or not white and they are lovely. I have never worked with such a lovely bunch of people

diplodocusinermine · 03/11/2020 12:10

Thisisworsethananticpated, I don't think it's anything at all to do with moral superiority - I shop as Tesco's and Asda, buy stuff from Ikea. It's just the sheer size and anti competitiveness of Amazon, the fact that they don't pay anywhere near as much tax in the UK as companies like Tesco and M&S, so obviously that lower tax take affects all of us in the way of health and social care, education etc. It's the fact that although they employ many, many people now, they won't always because they are continually looking for ways to reduce costs by using robotics.

By the time we realise that Amazon are a behemoth involved in every single aspect of our lives (they are going in to food delivery in a big way now, 'partnering' with supermarkets), have cut the number of people they employ drastically, take a % from all the small businesses shich use their platform etc etc, perhaps start increasing their prices becasue they no longer have any competition, it will be too late.

Blew my mind when I realised Jeff Bezos' personal fortune would be more than enough to cover the UK furlough scheme .

TheFormerPorpentinaScamander · 03/11/2020 12:16

@Jimbellselmbath that's better pay and conditions than when I worked in care yet I don't see anyone clamoring for care homes to be closed down because of workers pay/conditions. (And yes I'm aware care homes are not the same as online shopping. My comment is semi serious)

SchrodingersImmigrant · 03/11/2020 12:16

Just want to point out that nearly every platform takes some %.
Ubereats, justeat, groupon, wowcher, amazon, ebay, etsy etc.

SchrodingersImmigrant · 03/11/2020 12:17

@Thisisworsethananticpated

Genuine question Why are small business morally superior or better to large corporations ?

With all the people to worry about I truly question why a small business needs my support , when keeping my family and house and career afloat is so challenging

Understandable question. Answer is. They aren't superior. Some dodge taxes, some provide shit service and goods. Some are smashing though. Great product, unique, great service.

It's the idea of keeping things local-ish rather than money going to a company which is based abroad. Supporting the local people and so on.

PhlegmyHead · 03/11/2020 12:19

As a small business owner - Etsy screws me over far more than Amazon does btw. Etsy has turned to the dark side in the last few years

diplodocusinermine · 03/11/2020 12:22

Schrodinger, yes, and it would be so much better if people would order their food, book their accommodation etc etc direct with the supplier rather than go through these third parties who earn money for doing not very much. Our local Indian restaurant had to stop advertising with Just Eats during lockdown because they couldn't afford the commissions.

ConcreteUnderpants · 03/11/2020 12:25

There’s an interesting phenomenon on mumsnet where posters who are very keen on supporting a particular cause have complete empathy bypasses for posters who
reply explaining why they can’t get on board with what the OP is saying because they can’t afford to, or their circumstances don’t allow it. You rarely see someone coming back and saying oh I never thought of it from that point of view, yeah I can see why you don’t all think the same way as me

Excellent post, ApplePlumPie

Badbadbunny · 03/11/2020 12:34

Are all the posters who are against Amazon also boycotting the likes of Asda, Tesco, etc., who caused the demise of thousands of smaller supermarkets and corner shops such as butchers, greengrocers, etc??

The slow lingering "death" of independent retail started back in the 70s with chain stores and supermarkets.

speakout · 03/11/2020 12:34

*Just want to point out that nearly every platform takes some %.
Ubereats, justeat, groupon, wowcher, amazon, ebay, etsy etc.

Absolutely.

There are costs to most sales.
No matter which platform or your method of selling.
If you have an actual shop there are costs, Amazon or Etsy have costs, if you sell at a busy craft fair or farmers market they will charge, you will have costs for table arrangements and if busy you may need to pay an assistant.
Selling on your own website has challlenges, you will have to pay the host, and it can be a minefield trying to generate traffic to your site, unless you are an expert in SEO, you may have to pay for advertising and optimisation.
(But if you are an expert in SEO you are probably making a fortune doing that and not in online retail.)
So no matter which route you take it will cost you.

Kalula · 03/11/2020 12:42

Who is JB?

Amazon allows ordinary people to sell through them. And I believe they look after buyers and sellers better than Ebay. I think Ebay has gotten too big, time someone like Amazon got the same attention. Ebay had the monopoly for far too long, I would be glad to see Ebay go bankrupt and disappear to be honest, and Amazon or similar have localised sales/bidding.

JustFrustrated · 03/11/2020 12:44

I ordered from somewhere that wasnt Amazon last week.

Regretted it when the day I needed the product by passed and it still hadn't arrived
Which then meant I needed to pay twice, as I had to get back in my car, drive to the shop and purchase, then drive home.

How's that helpful?

I also now need to drive to the postbox to return the item - which I can't do for a week yet cause I'm SI. Which means that's three weeks without the money in my bank. That's fine for me, but many families need that money quicker.

Also, as has been said, Amazon employs thousands of people. And then on top of the direct employment, it's currently building more warehouses and buying more vans. Indirectly I can name 100 people it's building is keeping employed, indirectly. And those 100 people are just at one company, doing one part of the build.

It's too reductive to say "don't make Jeff richer" .

speakout · 03/11/2020 12:45

I would be glad to see Ebay go bankrupt and disappear to be honest,

Please- no- ebay is crucial for my small business.
It s an absloute lifeline for me and thousands of other small businesses. I rarely have any problems with either ebay or Amazon.

Quaagars · 03/11/2020 12:45

@Kalula Tue
Who is JB?

Not seen the comment this was referring to, but given what the thread's about, I'm going with Jeff Bezos who's the founder of Amazon

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