Can a tutor come to my home during lockdown?

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I know the detailed guidance is out tomorrow but thought I would ask consensus? I have a tutor come to my house for 2 hours a week to teach ds and dd. I employ her through an agency. The agency ask for payment at the beginning of the month (today). I made it clear that zoom lessons wouldn't fit the bill and it had to be in person and it was agreed that lessons would be suspended if that were the case.

Today I asked the agency if we could continue during lockdown and they are categoric we can provided the tutor and I are both comfortable (we are). She has asked for the next month's money in advance. I'm just a bit nervous as I'm not sure this is how I read the guidance and I'm worried agency will keep my money and try to move to zoom.

Does anyone have any thoughts on whether this is likely to be permitted under the lockdown from Thursday?

ds2's home tutors will continue as counts as education. He can access neither school nor online sessions as a result of SEN. We are taking precautions to minimize risk as far as we are able.

My tutor can WFH in the same way as a cleaner can work from home. They can both clean or teach at home but neither would benefit me so I won't employ someone to do so. If I am going to continue employing someone it will be someone in my home, if I can't do this legally she will lose her income, the gvt will lose some tax and my son will lose the benefit of a great tutor. If the elected Gvt (as much as I didn't vote for them that is what they are) legislate ro prevent this, I will not continue with the arrangement (I will not break the law). If the Gvt do not do so I will not change my arrangements because a minority of commentators on Mumsnet don't think its right or fair or want to impose their own rules on me because they haven't seen their mum etc.

According to the BBC question and answer you can't.
I'll have a look for the link

There you go, it's about 3 or 4 questions in
www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/54781307

The BBC answer doesn't engage at all with the guidance about work. It says you can't meet indoors with people you don't live with, which is untrue.

It's fine. It's their workplace, you have particular reasons for needing face to face, plus education overall is exempt...

It's probably a lot safer than a classroom

[quote Newkitchen123]There you go, it's about 3 or 4 questions in
www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/54781307[/quote]
The BBC have this one totally wrong 🤣

Actual government guidance says you can continue to work in peoples homes. Not being allowed into someone's house to socialise is not the same as doing so for work.

I work in other peoples homes and am allowed to continue as normal. It's a business call, not a social one.

I think there’s an issue with people thinking that because schools are open, children’s lives should carry on as normally as possible.
Places of education are probably the biggest obstacle to the lockdown being effective. If children are in school, it is more important not less that their families take every opportunity to avoid/manage contact with other people outside of school for the next four weeks. It’s in everyone’s best interest for this lockdown to be successful in reducing the spread of infection.
If you must have the tutor in your home then masks on and keep outside doors and windows open - or do the session outside. You need to think about minimising the risk to the child, their school community and to the tutor.

I'm a tutor
I'll be doing online
It's not ideal but once you get used to it it's OK

New regs out. Appears they potentially can.

www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1200/pdfs/uksi_20201200_en.pdf

I can't really see that's any different. Without straining my eyes reading every word of 32 pages all I can see is the gist of for the purpose of education and training. It also says something like where this can't reasonably be done from home.
The vast majority of lessons can be done from home. It not being reasonable and not being ideal are not the same thing

It says reasonably possible, and the question of whether the vast majority of lessons can be done from home is a separate one to whether this particular lesson can be.

soooo, when we can travel for the purpose of outdoor exercise, how far can we drive for that ( 1/2 an hr or less??) ??

No limit specified in the legislation. Just says you can leave the house for exercise. If there's no limit you can't be legally stopped for exercising/travelling to exercise too far from home.

I totally understand your reluctance OP. My DD could do with a maths tutor. Where I am (not UK) I can’t get anyone to do in person at the moment so we are waiting. She will not learn as well via zoom, her school is via zoom still and that’s part of the reason she needs a tutor. We’re waiting until the Covid risk is lowered and will invest then.

Hope you gets messed around by the company. I understand why they are keen to ensure revenue but I don’t think it’s up to you to provide that Safety net at your risk.

No absolutely not. If it were allowed, then I could go to the houses of my dance students and give them a private lesson. I'm assuming that this tutor also tutors other children and so would be roaming from.house to house spreading the virus as they go. You cannot and should not mix households for this reason. If zoom won't cut it, then your kids will have to do without, just like all the other kids who recieve tutoring in academic, sport and arts and who have had their classes stopped (again) from thursday

@dancinfeet

No absolutely not. If it were allowed, then I could go to the houses of my dance students and give them a private lesson. I'm assuming that this tutor also tutors other children and so would be roaming from.house to house spreading the virus as they go. You cannot and should not mix households for this reason. If zoom won't cut it, then your kids will have to do without, just like all the other kids who recieve tutoring in academic, sport and arts and who have had their classes stopped (again) from thursday

Is that your legal opinion?

@dancinfeet

No absolutely not. If it were allowed, then I could go to the houses of my dance students and give them a private lesson. I'm assuming that this tutor also tutors other children and so would be roaming from.house to house spreading the virus as they go. You cannot and should not mix households for this reason. If zoom won't cut it, then your kids will have to do without, just like all the other kids who recieve tutoring in academic, sport and arts and who have had their classes stopped (again) from thursday

Sorry, but you're wrong.

Dance classes have been suspended so that's why you're not allowed to go ahead and give private lessons. Private tuition (as in, academic tuition) has not been suspended and therefore OP can continue to work as normal.

If you go to someone's house for work, it doesn't count as mixing households and isn't against the guidelines. I'm in an industry that can remain open and my job involves going in and out of people's homes. I can continue to do so long as I wear a mask where social distancing is impossible.

1. Stay at home
This means you must not leave or be outside of your home except for specific purposes. These include:

for childcare or education, where this is not provided online
for work purposes, where your place of work remains open and where you cannot work from home (including if your job involves working in other people’s homes)

www.gov.uk/guidance/new-national-restrictions-from-5-november#childcare-and-childrens-activities

@dancinfeet

No absolutely not. If it were allowed, then I could go to the houses of my dance students and give them a private lesson. I'm assuming that this tutor also tutors other children and so would be roaming from.house to house spreading the virus as they go. You cannot and should not mix households for this reason. If zoom won't cut it, then your kids will have to do without, just like all the other kids who recieve tutoring in academic, sport and arts and who have had their classes stopped (again) from thursday

Is that your legal opinion?

YABU. No, they cannot come into your home because they can work from home on Zoom; you just don’t want them to.

YABU. No, they cannot come into your home because they can work from home on Zoom; you just don’t want them to.

YABU. No, they cannot come into your home because they can work from home on Zoom; you just don’t want them to.

Can they offer effective service though to that child online? I think it probably depends on the child, the skill and the level at which that child is. For handwriting there could be an argument that for that child with that degree of need that online lessons are not possible so the tutor cannot work at home. As long as the tutor agrees that it is necessary then perhaps they can't work at home. Hopefully it will be clearer in a day or two.

I am a tutor.
Most will be moving online. However, some I cannot feasibly do online (some SEN or too young to engage via zoom). I haven’t decided what to do about this! I don’t get paid if I don’t go :(