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AIBU or are the lives of school staff worthless?

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Witchcraftandhokum · 01/11/2020 11:42

I fully appreciate that the education and mental well-being of children is important but why does it trump the physical and mental health of school staff? The facts are simple, people are being told to stay at home because it is unsafe to do otherwise, unless you work in education or the NHS who are provided with effective PPE.

On a daily basis I am expected to supervise the diner where 150 students eat lunch (obviously mask free) if I wish to eat I am also mask free. I have to supervise the same 150 children in narrow corridors. For this pupils are supposed to wear masks but there are a number who refuse (not the students who are exempt) and we cannot enforce it. We hand out hundreds of masks per week to students whose parents don't ensure they have one with them.

We are not allowed to wear masks in classrooms but are given visors which aren't as effective. The children are not allowed to wear masks in classrooms. None of this are rules imposed by the school but are in-line with the government guidance.

We have students who say they have developed a cough knowing we have to send them home, we cannot make the decision as to whether they are lying or not, but I've been verbally abused by parents calling me "fucking stupid" for not knowing when a child is lying.

Before half-term we had 25% of staff off sick as they had tested positive (including myself). There are many experts stating schools should be shut but Boris has done a fantastic job of insinuating that school staff are lazy and don't want to work, and the early response to the unions concerns shows that this is working. I've never suffered with stress or anxiety but the thought of a return to school tomorrow is making me feel sick.

Talking to colleagues who work in other schools it appears my experience is not unusual. So AIBU to think that this government doesn't give a shiny shit about school staff.

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Anxioustoddler · 08/11/2020 14:33

My point is, why are teachers not using their own initiative if they feel it is unsafe? Take action if you want change and the government isn’t enacting it. The government didn’t ban zoom lessons, but some teachers felt it was unsafe so refused to do it. Why can’t the same be applied to safety measures? Your job isn’t exactly on the line right now.

Didyousaynutella · 08/11/2020 14:39

Sorry I work for the nhs clinically and haven’t been given effective PPE. A mask and pinny doesn’t really do a lot, let’s be frank. I got covid ages ago in the first wave like a lot of my colleagues did while teachers enjoyed being at home on full pay. Why are NHS staff lives worth less than yours?

noblegiraffe · 08/11/2020 14:41

My point is that the action of an individual teacher wearing a mask in a classroom actually makes very little difference to the overall safety of a school. It needs to be addressed at a system-wide level and with way more measures than masks for teachers.

CallmeAngelina · 08/11/2020 14:44

"Why are NHS staff lives worth less than yours?"
Can you point to any poster who has said this?

Thegreymethod · 08/11/2020 14:44

I do agree with you and do think schools should be closed whilst we're in lockdown as it's obviously a major spreading hot spot but please remember it isn't just teachers and NHS who are working there are lots of people working, and have worked throughout who don't have appropriate PPE who also won't get paid if/when they catch it or have to isolate so they have to suck it up and get on with it, and trust that the people they work closely with will be honest and stay home if they should (they aren't, and it's hard to blame them when they're facing losing 2 weeks wages)

yawnsvillex · 08/11/2020 14:44

@Didyousaynutella

Sorry I work for the nhs clinically and haven’t been given effective PPE. A mask and pinny doesn’t really do a lot, let’s be frank. I got covid ages ago in the first wave like a lot of my colleagues did while teachers enjoyed being at home on full pay. Why are NHS staff lives worth less than yours?

Exactly. Supermarket staff too.

noblegiraffe · 08/11/2020 14:52

Supermarket workers again. Extraordinarily predictable.

So many people arguing for a race to the bottom.

CallmeAngelina · 08/11/2020 14:58

That'll be the supermarket workers who, thanks in part to public support and proper funding, now have perspex screens adding to their protection.

SchrodingersUnicorn · 08/11/2020 15:01

@yawnsvillex none of us are saying that we don't think NHS workers should be given every protection they can possibly have? My friends in the NHS had to fight for PPE and I fully supported that campaign. They also switched round roles and got ECV and CV staff working from home. I've had phone appointments and delayed tests during the pandemic because of this. My own GP is CV and not seeing any patients because she has an RA not to. I completely support that. I just think ECV and CV teachers should get the same support and protections, even more so now the ONS data shows the risk of infection is similar in the two sectors.
It's not healthcare versus teachers. Why can't all frontline services have their workplaces made as safe as possible?

WhyNotMe40 · 08/11/2020 15:01

I do wonder, if masks do nothing - why do careworkers and frontline NHS staff bother wearing them?

SchrodingersUnicorn · 08/11/2020 15:04

And again, yes, I was home on full pay in the first lockdown - because I taught a full timetable!!
But I still don't really understand what that has to do with safe working conditions, unless we are now judging some teachers as 'worthy' and others not. As above, if this is the case, could you let the government know because currently they are treating us all the same?

WhyNotMe40 · 08/11/2020 15:04

There seems to be 2 arguments:

  1. Masks are useless and dont protect staff or patients so why are you wanting students and staff to wear them?
  2. Teachers did nothing during lockdown so don't deserve anything that will make their workplaces safer.
noblegiraffe · 08/11/2020 15:35
  1. My job is crap so yours should be too.
Didyousaynutella · 08/11/2020 17:15

Callmee.

I was responding to the OPs ridiculous question asking if lives of school staff are worthless.

TwylaSands · 08/11/2020 17:23

@Didyousaynutella

Sorry I work for the nhs clinically and haven’t been given effective PPE. A mask and pinny doesn’t really do a lot, let’s be frank. I got covid ages ago in the first wave like a lot of my colleagues did while teachers enjoyed being at home on full pay. Why are NHS staff lives worth less than yours?
Working from home on full pay. Let’s be accurate.
Paperdolly · 08/11/2020 17:25

Morrison’s appreciate school staff...even the support staff. Good on them!

Is Parliament open to all yet?

Didyousaynutella · 08/11/2020 17:30

Yes working from home. I don’t dispute that they were working.

VashtaNerada · 08/11/2020 18:50

I think teachers should be brave. I think we’re being bloody brave actually! Smile

Paperdolly · 08/11/2020 19:01

I agree VashtaNerada. and support staff are braver because they are not paid as much as teachers.

SmileEachDay · 08/11/2020 19:01

And I don’t buy the argument about kids not having enough tech at home as the majority do

Do you not? Why?

MistressIggi · 08/11/2020 19:02

@noblegiraffe

Oh and the head of Ofsted just did a piece in a paper claiming that schools are sending pupils home unnecessarily (schools send home pupils as advised by the DfE helpline) and that it’s a ‘myth’ that windows should be open (this is in the DfE guidance).
He should be sacked for this.
MistressIggi · 08/11/2020 19:04

@Didyousaynutella

Yes working from home. I don’t dispute that they were working.
Well we were working from home except when we were in looking after key worker children.
WhyNotMe40 · 08/11/2020 19:05

Isn't the definition of brave knowing something is unsafe/scary and doing it anyway?

TwylaSands · 08/11/2020 19:11

Well we were working from home except when we were in looking after key worker children
And also in actually teaching year 10 and 12. But i dont think that fits in with the pp’s narrative of angel like nurses and demon teachers. Teachers who enjoyed being at home on full pay who were actually working from home, teaching remotely, attending online courses, going in to school to look after key worker children, and also teaching face to face.

noblegiraffe · 08/11/2020 19:15

I didn’t enjoy being at home on full pay, I had to homeschool my kids while trying to do my job so ended up working ridiculous hours of the night when it was quiet enough to record lessons.

Enjoy really is the wrong word.