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AIBU or are the lives of school staff worthless?

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Witchcraftandhokum · 01/11/2020 11:42

I fully appreciate that the education and mental well-being of children is important but why does it trump the physical and mental health of school staff? The facts are simple, people are being told to stay at home because it is unsafe to do otherwise, unless you work in education or the NHS who are provided with effective PPE.

On a daily basis I am expected to supervise the diner where 150 students eat lunch (obviously mask free) if I wish to eat I am also mask free. I have to supervise the same 150 children in narrow corridors. For this pupils are supposed to wear masks but there are a number who refuse (not the students who are exempt) and we cannot enforce it. We hand out hundreds of masks per week to students whose parents don't ensure they have one with them.

We are not allowed to wear masks in classrooms but are given visors which aren't as effective. The children are not allowed to wear masks in classrooms. None of this are rules imposed by the school but are in-line with the government guidance.

We have students who say they have developed a cough knowing we have to send them home, we cannot make the decision as to whether they are lying or not, but I've been verbally abused by parents calling me "fucking stupid" for not knowing when a child is lying.

Before half-term we had 25% of staff off sick as they had tested positive (including myself). There are many experts stating schools should be shut but Boris has done a fantastic job of insinuating that school staff are lazy and don't want to work, and the early response to the unions concerns shows that this is working. I've never suffered with stress or anxiety but the thought of a return to school tomorrow is making me feel sick.

Talking to colleagues who work in other schools it appears my experience is not unusual. So AIBU to think that this government doesn't give a shiny shit about school staff.

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WildWindBlows · 01/11/2020 12:19

For everyone else there is effective PPE or lockdown

Ppe is really not that effective, we all wear ppe at work and covid still swept through our workplace. Saying that I do think anyone who wishes to wear ppe at work should be able to.

Meowza74 · 01/11/2020 12:19

Hang on, so are teachers not allowed to wear masks? What if they choose to?

rawlikesushi · 01/11/2020 12:19

I'm a teacher and I think we just have to get on with it as safely as we can.

Everyone is being told to wfh unless their work can't be done from home, and ours can't.

At my school the teacher stands behind a line, giving a 2m distance from the pupils, and all windows open. I can wear a visor if I want to, and lots of staff do. The caretaker comes in and cleans contact points regularly. There's hand sanitiser everywhere and the pupils use it every time they enter/leave a classroom.

I feel safe. As safe as a supermarket worker, or my sister who works in a factory, or my mum who is a childminder anyway. It's not ideal but if staff don't feel safe then SLT need to find a way to sort that out.

noblegiraffe · 01/11/2020 12:19

All these people in other jobs who are 'sick of teachers moaning' should actually be fucking furious at the government for not putting adequate mitigation measures in place in schools.

The infection rate in secondary age kids is 1 in 50. If schools stay open throughout lockdown with no attempt made to address the issue of transmission in schools, then you're going to end up with a less effective lockdown that could well go on for longer.

When you tell teachers to stop moaning, you're effectively arguing for more covid and therefore more restrictions and more jobs lost, or more deaths and long term illness.

Well done you. You absolute idiots.

Witchcraftandhokum · 01/11/2020 12:21

Once more for those at the back teachers in England are NOT PERMITTED to wear masks in the classroom. No screens either. Or windows that open in a significant number of classrooms.
It would be illegal in any other workplace under H&S.

THIS!

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Liverbird77 · 01/11/2020 12:22

@MonicaBelulaGellar yes, are you provided with PPE?
Also, is any action taken if people refuse to comply with safety instructions?
Teachers are in a shit situation.

WhyNotMe40 · 01/11/2020 12:22

@Meowza74

Hang on, so are teachers not allowed to wear masks? What if they choose to?
Well some schools might have SLT who turn a blind eye, but parents would complain. The DfE explicitly said that masks should not be in the classroom. They also said no to rotas, using alternative facilities, spending any extra money etc.
banjaxxed · 01/11/2020 12:22

Surely it's essential service? Like police, police staff, supermarket staff?

I don't get this with teachers and teaching staff I really don't. I live in a tier 3 very high infection rate area and yet DS' school of 1000 pupils has had 20ish infections and about 40% of them are staff. In which case the staff probably got it from elsewhere or it would be rife in schools with infections in the hundreds like universities

WhyNotMe40 · 01/11/2020 12:23

@rawlikesushi

I'm a teacher and I think we just have to get on with it as safely as we can.

Everyone is being told to wfh unless their work can't be done from home, and ours can't.

At my school the teacher stands behind a line, giving a 2m distance from the pupils, and all windows open. I can wear a visor if I want to, and lots of staff do. The caretaker comes in and cleans contact points regularly. There's hand sanitiser everywhere and the pupils use it every time they enter/leave a classroom.

I feel safe. As safe as a supermarket worker, or my sister who works in a factory, or my mum who is a childminder anyway. It's not ideal but if staff don't feel safe then SLT need to find a way to sort that out.

You do know that visors do absolutely nothing without a mask?
OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 01/11/2020 12:23

There are definitely levels of care being shown to staff. Our trust has taken on more cleaners, including ones who clean staff rooms and offices as well as classrooms during the day. There are clear guidelines of who can go where, in which direction and at what times. If you are happier wearing a mask, you can wear one. Luckily our infection rate is low.(though tas are expected to sit next to students in class unlike teachers who are being advised to stick to the two metre barrier)
My friend works in a pru, kids will not distance or wear masks, don’t follow movement policy, staff get screamed at, spat at and have to restrain. Their infection rate is about 33%.
Your slt are not taking your, or the children’s welfare seriously. Wear a mask, if they complain ask to see the schools COVID risk assessment which should be following the governments.
And to everyone saying “do your job” she is, she just wants to do it safely.

itsgettingweird · 01/11/2020 12:23

@NannyGythaOgg

If you won't do the job you are being paid to do by the taxes we are paying for you to teach and care for children why are you still claiming your wages?
Well people claiming furlough aren't working the hours they are paid for either.

I'm not a teacher. But there is truth is how isolation has changed within schools for cases compared to at the start when they realised they'd be shutting down whole schools constantly and it went against the government mantra.

ChittyChittyBoomBoom · 01/11/2020 12:23

No, we are not allowed to wear masks.

It’s written into our school’s risk assessment that we are not allowed to.

It also states that anyone who enters the school premises wearing a face covering, will be asked to remove it.

LaurieFairyCake · 01/11/2020 12:24

No one gives a fuck about teachers and school staff Hmm They are just there to blame if children don't do well

27% of the new infections are in education settings

Dh's school has a huge number of BAME staff.

CraftyGin · 01/11/2020 12:24

@Witchcraftandhokum

*Once more for those at the back teachers in England are NOT PERMITTED to wear masks in the classroom. No screens either. Or windows that open in a significant number of classrooms. It would be illegal in any other workplace under H&S.*

THIS!

That’s not true.
trixiebelden77 · 01/11/2020 12:24

What’s the incidence of infection and mortality rate for teachers?

How much higher is it than health care workers?

ChittyChittyBoomBoom · 01/11/2020 12:24

Sorry, visitors need to wear masks but members of staff will be asked to remove them.

WhyNotMe40 · 01/11/2020 12:25

@banjaxxed

Surely it's essential service? Like police, police staff, supermarket staff?

I don't get this with teachers and teaching staff I really don't. I live in a tier 3 very high infection rate area and yet DS' school of 1000 pupils has had 20ish infections and about 40% of them are staff. In which case the staff probably got it from elsewhere or it would be rife in schools with infections in the hundreds like universities

Kids get different symptoms (that you can't test for) or are asymptomatic. Of course it is rife in the school! It's just schools are not allowed mass testing like the universities which picked up the asymptomatic cases.
Nubbin · 01/11/2020 12:25

It's not just teachers and NHS is it though? This is wholly melodramatic - add in bank workers, retail workers, police - the list is pretty much endless. Do you think everyone in the supermarket respects retail workers 2m or makes sure they wear a mask properly? That during an arrest/ policing protests - individuals ensure they aren't putting the police at risk.....

Witchcraftandhokum · 01/11/2020 12:26

Yes we are essential workers, but we are the only essential workers who are not permitted to wear masks.

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NetflixWatcher · 01/11/2020 12:26

I don't work for education or the NHS and am still at work everyday dealing with the public in close proximity. Though I probably come into contact with less people than you do each day but mine are all different people every day whereas yours are probably the same. I'd be happy for the schools to shut though, my manager would let me work from home part of the week to homeschool so I would be more protected.

EmmetEmma · 01/11/2020 12:26

It’s not about putting the boot in - it’s about questioning the statement “our lives are considered worthless” which has been formed on the basis that everyone else is allowed to wear effective PPE.

What is this effective PPE? I think screens would be a good idea if they were viable and I think teachers should be able to wear masks if they wish. But I do think these melodramatic posts where teachers always have it worse are a bit ridiculous. Especially given that hospital staff only started wearing masks in my trust in June I think, and rightly patients don’t have to wear them - even the Covid positive ones. It’s shit for everyone - everyone has different stresses and pressures. Campaign to improve your conditions but maybe dial back on the unfounded statements.

Witchcraftandhokum · 01/11/2020 12:26

Nubbin all of those other workers wear masks.

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Nubbin · 01/11/2020 12:26

In tier 2 our school has told us that teachers have to wear masks (bar exemptions) along with kids of year 7 and above.

echt · 01/11/2020 12:27

What’s the incidence of infection and mortality rate for teachers?

So what? Do we wait for doctors to die before they wear masks?

RubyViolet · 01/11/2020 12:27

People are minimising school staffs real fears on here. Some real gaslighting going on. Really uncomfortable to read.