To think this total dickhead student should be permanently excluded?

[WotFreeWords]

I have a teenager in a school 6th form, in a Tier 3 area.

Student in a different form went for a covid test last Thursday due to very mild symptoms, but didn't inform school. Stayed off school Friday. Went to another students 18th birthday party Saturday night. Went back to school Monday

Test came back positive yesterday. School only found out this morning.

About half of 6th form (everyone who has been in lessons or tutor group with them) now sent home to self isolate, school staff trying frantically to find out who else was at the party so they can be told to isolate as well, but not many are coming forward because obviously they know damn well there should have been no bloody party in the first place!!!

My poor teenager, who has complied with every restriction, worked their arse off to keep up good grades etc etc, now sent home to isolate for the last 2 days before half term. They haven't been to a party since last sodding New Year because they take it seriously.

I'm hopping fucking mad. What sort of selfish little TWAT does that? If I was the head I'd have the student who went to a fucking party while meant to be self isolating permanently excluded by whatever means I could find. I mean how dare they fuck it up for the other kids like this?

(And no, it's not gossip, they all know who it was and what happened. They have been asked to come forward if they were at the party but so far the other kids know of several who are denying it )

[mumwon]

Its attitudes & behaviour like this (& especially the parents) that mean the virus has spread
"Its only mild it only affects old people they can isolate & leave the rest of us to carry on as normal"
grinds teeth

[Pelleas]

I agree, OP - I would be furious in your shoes.

Covid is terrible for teenagers and young people, but behaviour like this makes it even worse than it already is for everyone. 18 is old enough to know better.

[Emma10702]

We’ve had this at our school. Child was tested due to symptoms but parent sent child into school whilst awaiting results. Results were positive. Can’t even begin to understand why you would think this was okay.

[ancientgran]

I find it more forgivable in a 17 or 18 year old than I do in a certain Scottish MP who behaved in a similar way.

[chunkyrun]

They've purposefully ignored the rules. Not nice but people are only human. We was all young once.

[IMNOTSHOUTING]

@Belladonna12

If they had the symptoms last Thursday couldn't they have infected their friends and classmates anyway at school even if they didn't go to a party? What difference does the party make with regard to self isolation.

Because he would have come into contact with more people at the party. He would only have had close contact at school with his immediate friends and people he sits close to.

[Petitmum]

It's not rocket science - surely everyone knows you isolate until you have your test result???

[Armi]

I wish people would stop making excuses for teenagers and young adults not following the rules or failing to ‘understand’ guidelines. The vast majority of teenagers are not lacking basic comprehension skills, they are simply choosing to ignore them and are being constantly let off the hook by the ‘poor suffering darlings’ brigade. Parents are largely at fault for allowing their children into school when awaiting tests but really, a 17 year old is perfectly capable of understanding they shouldn’t be mixing with others under those circumstances. We do our young people a disservice by indulging them.

[LonelyFromCorona]

@WotFreeWords

Be kind.

[WombatChocolate]

How frustrating.
Teen errors of judgement are common but fortunately don t usually impact vast numbers of people.

I think in this case the seriousness of the issue (and it is serious as there is a health risk to the elderly cot acts of all these students) needs to made clear and reflected in the repercussions. I would hope the Police would impose the fine on all those at the party. It is a matter for the Police and not just the parents or school. It isn't an issue to turn a blind eye to, nor to say 'oh silly teens' which is why government powers have been given to the Police to enforce the rules and punish those who break them.

I would also expect the parents to crack down heavily on this and also the school as it is damaging the education of many people.

There need to be repurchasions. AND then the school and the family need to say to the teen that they must bear the repercussions but beyond that a line will be drawn under them, because people make mistakes. When this happens, we do our punishment and then we move on. So that teen remains loved by their family. If the school or college lets them remain, they move forward after any punishment with a line drawn under it. It doesn't mean their life is ruined forever or they are rpforever cast out from the family or society. BUT both need to happen.....there cannot be no punishment for this (and just a 'daft teens' kind of comment) and there cannot be any hanging them out to dry for the rest of their life. It was serious and a serious repercussion is needed.....and then move on.

And Op you will have to leave it to the Police and the school to decide on the best course of action and pursue it. It will not be up to the parents of the people impacted to decide the boys fate.

[1AngelicFruitCake]

Completely agree with you. So selfish!

[Billben]

@Hokeywokey

It's very difficult for teenagers right now. I'm sure you made mistakes when you were 18 too.

Oh, diddums 🙄

[KitchenConfidential]

Having been badly impacted by Covid on my family and friends, I might be being over sensitive, but I really have issue with the whole “give him some slack, young people make mistakes”.
Yes, they do but he’s not a child. He knew the rules and deliberately put other people and their families at risk. Would you be so relaxed about it if it was drink driving? I don’t think you’d be so laid back.

[Lolaloveslemonade]

YANBU OP.
He deserves a warning at least. ‘Do anything like this again and you’re out’

[IHateCoronavirus]

The boy was stupid and taking as risk, yes there should be consequences. Every single person at that party was also stupid and taking a risk, there should also be consequences for them.
The party was in a T3 area. People are losing their livelihoods while we wait for numbers to come down, yet will idiots going to parties left right and centre how is that going to happen?

[Londonmummy66]

DC's school had one of these idiots who has left several classmates in self isolation over half term due to his partying. In this case the dickhead was the head boy....

[canigooutyet]

If his parents were the type that still sent him in school when he was ill during his younger years, I could understand how he thought it was ok now to do the same.

Permanent exclusions are pushing it because you'd have to have a blanket rule across education. Fines would be better.

And I'm not surprised that the fuckwits are still sending in ill kids, we saw this coming when a clown decided schools don't need to be told the results.

[Belladonna12]

Because he would have come into contact with more people at the party. He would only have had close contact at school with his immediate friends and people he sits close to.

Those immediate friends would have been at school for another week thanks to the so track and trace. This means they could also have infected children and the only sensible thing would be for the whole year to self isolate.

[ilovesooty]

[quote LonelyFromCorona]@WotFreeWords

Be kind.[/quote]
I'm a bit sick of this response. Be responsible to others is at least as important.

[Icanseethepigeon]

Why was anyone having a party?! My son turned 18 yesterday, couldn't celebrate with a party, can't have any more than 5 friends over (and even then only if we all leave our home for him to do so).

More than just the one irresponsible 18 year old in this scenario - parents, and others too.

[WombatChocolate]

When people cock up or do something illegal (going to the party) there need to be proportionate repercussions.

This is true for all age groups. The punishment for a small child with limited understanding has to be proportionate. The repercussions for a younger teen need to be proportionate. For an older teen adult they need to be proportionate.

Proportionate reflects seriousness. Going to illegal parties during a pandemic and then attending college whilst waiting for a test is serious. These actions must be seen as serious and not akin to not giving in your homework or smoking down the alley from school or first time shoplifting. The fact lots of adults seem happy to turn a blind eye shows that people of all ages are not taking the requirement not to mix in Tier 3 areas seriously.

This won't be a prison sentence. That would be disproportionate. But a fine from the Police wouldn't be disproportionate and neither woukd an exclusion from college. I suspect a permanant exclusion wouldn't be used by the college. I'd imagine if this were a large workplace, it could result in the worker being sacked.

If a blind eye is turned every time these things happen 'because they are struggling teens who have had a rough deal' then no-one will ever take the restrictions seriously.....and is t that what we need to happen. In a way, this boy receiving a fine from the Police and a serious punishment from the college will have an impact on him but also send an important message to the other teens too....isn't that part of the role of these policies. If the law is never enforced, what's the point in having it?

[DeliciouslyFemale]

He’s old enough to drink, smoke, have sex, join the army, buy a house, move countries, etc, but not old enough to think about how his actions might affect other people. Bollocks to that! It’s one thing doing stupid things that only affect you, but doing something that you know may impact on another’s health or even the life of their loved ones. No, there’s no pat on the head and ‘kids will be kids’ for that kind of selfish behaviour.

[DeliciouslyFemale]

If a blind eye is turned every time these things happen 'because they are struggling teens who have had a rough deal' then no-one will ever take the restrictions seriously.....and is t that what we need to happen. In a way, this boy receiving a fine from the Police and a serious punishment from the college will have an impact on him but also send an important message to the other teens too....isn't that part of the role of these policies. If the law is never enforced, what's the point in having it?

I couldn’t agree more.

[carcarbinks]

Same thing happened in DC's school. No party, but the child went to school for 2 days while waiting for the test result. When it came back positive his class, teachers and other children on the bus had to self isolate.Apparently the air was blue in the staff room!

[Belladonna12]

This won't be a prison sentence. That would be disproportionate. But a fine from the Police wouldn't be disproportionate and neither woukd an exclusion from college. I suspect a permanant exclusion wouldn't be used by the college. I'd imagine if this were a large workplace, it could result in the worker being sacked.

I think an exclusion would be very disproportionate and actually could discourage people from getting tested. The only reason he is in trouble is because he got tested. The person who had the party is the one who should be fined as that is against the law.