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To say there are so many of us now that feel like this

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Enoughnowstop · 21/10/2020 06:54

www.tes.com/news/coronavirus-teacher-schools-i-love-my-job-i-cant-keep-going?fbclid=IwAR2PdWYSIoIHed0m_ljs-DvncLM1Pf0min7NaJxPvcj8klTgzPj_3Gftp_Q

I know there will be loads of teacher bashing as a result but it’s how so many of us feel. I don’t know what can be done as I want schools open and functioning but the fear that it will be at the expense of my health and/or that of my family. And at the same time, the persistent disconnect with colleagues, the just getting by, the making do...it’s all too much some days.

Thoughts are with my colleagues around the country today.

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dottiedodah · 21/10/2020 09:38

Firstly thank you for doing such a good job in difficult circumstances. However consecutive govts seem to take it as read ,that you will do whatever you can to "step up" to the plate with little /no regards to your own health and safety and that of your family! The comparison with SM is a poor one .Most SM are massive, and will only allow in a certain number of people mostly masked and disinfected as well

Enoughnowstop · 21/10/2020 09:38

are they actually the good ones if they can't adapt the way the rest of us are adapting?

You don’t seem to get that teaching as a whole hasn’t adapted. It’s all smoke and mirrors. And I say that as a teacher at a school that has pupils and staff dialling in to attend/teach when isolating. I am still standing in unventilated rooms for 6 hours a day, meeting 150 kids a week, with no form of protection o other than a face mask my head says we don’t need to wear. No 2 metre distance either.

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Itisbetter · 21/10/2020 09:39

saying well 'it's rubbish working in a warehouse' isn't going to change my mind because I'm not choosing between teaching and warehouse work. I'm chosing between a job in finance, green energy, data science, risk or teaching.
Oh bless. Do you really imagine those jobs are sitting waiting for you now?

herecomesthsun · 21/10/2020 09:40

I really really really want to find some way to express my dissatisfaction with the situation in schools, some effective clever way to protest that doesn't involve being in a crowd and getting covid or travelling to London.

I would happily stick a poster outside my house or fly a flag from my car.

I wrote to my MP who sent my letter to Nick Gibb, schools minister. I got a lovely letter from the MP but nothing so far from Nick Gibb. I'm thinking of writing again. It doesn't seem to be achieving much, though.

(I want a) safer schools with b) some financial provision to make them safer and c) stop fining ECV families who keep kids at home between now and Feb/ March)

Anyone else fancy rising up Wink?

Anyone want a protest song? Grin

Msmcc1212 · 21/10/2020 09:42

Massively appreciate all you teachers out there! Thank you for all that you do under normal circumstances and particularly now.

Being a teacher now must be so much more stressful. But you are doing an amazing thing for our children and our future as a country. All those children will grow up to be the future leaders, carers, makers etc and we need them to be well developed and educated.

I wish I was in a position to improve your rights and conditions but only Government can do that and the current lot aren’t likely to value you. Gove certainly didn’t as Ed Minister.

Thank you for all you do and hope you have the most relaxing half term possible in whatever circumstances you are in. FlowersCakeBrew

Scotmummy1216 · 21/10/2020 09:42

@skelesheridan Didn't say it their feelings were invalid just pointing out that they got a payrise.

The same is happening in nursing particularly over pay. Leaving in droves not renewing registration and also large amount due to retire. Heading for a even bigger crisis than it already is.

Barbie222 · 21/10/2020 09:42

It is crap for everyone in terms of morale at work. It is not equally crap for everyone in terms of health outcomes. And once we get some recent data - not that last dump in March - about which professions are more at risk of hospitalisation, ICU or long term Covid, we'll all be able to see exactly how crap it is for everyone in this sense. We're waiting ONS!!

thegreylady · 21/10/2020 09:43

In the school where my dd teaches they have removed the kettles in case people forget to sanitise the handles so no hot drinks. No break longer than 10 minutes with 20 minutes for lunc. The teachers travel between classes and students stay put. Teachers are expected to teach from within a marked square on the floor. My dd is a HoD and has to teach after school ‘twilight classes’ for exam classes. She has two young sons and a self employed dh. She says she is ‘jaded’ already. Oh and they have an Ofsted visit coming up. I am so glad I am retired.

Enoughnowstop · 21/10/2020 09:44

I suppose after a month back at work after 5 months off it must be a real wake up call. This is what the rest of us, who have worked throughout the Covid pandemic, have been up against

ODFOD. I taught online, gave feedback for the whole of lockdown. I also did keyworker provision when required to. I guess that’s too hard for you to understand, eh?

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Enoughnowstop · 21/10/2020 09:45

Didn't say it their feelings were invalid just pointing out that they got a payrise

Did we? In name, perhaps. I think you will find many schools have not been able to honour that payrise, even partially.

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herecomesthsun · 21/10/2020 09:46

@Itisbetter

saying well 'it's rubbish working in a warehouse' isn't going to change my mind because I'm not choosing between teaching and warehouse work. I'm chosing between a job in finance, green energy, data science, risk or teaching. Oh bless. Do you really imagine those jobs are sitting waiting for you now?
Do you really need to be so rude?

STEM teachers are in scarce supply exactly because they have excellent maths and science qualifications and can do other better paid white collar jobs like these. They will be in a relatively good place to diversify, switch career, even migrate etc., even in an economic downturn.

ChloeCrocodile · 21/10/2020 09:49

Didn't say it their feelings were invalid just pointing out that they got a payrise.

Many didn’t. There was no extra money given to schools so in a lot of schools it didn’t happen.

OP, it’s really hard at the moment. I barely coped this half term and I have no kids. I’m in awe of anyone who manages teaching as well as having a family at the moment.

unmarkedbythat · 21/10/2020 09:49

That I am also exhausted and worried and feel like I'm at the outer reaches of my capability to just carry on doesn't make me sympathise any less with teachers. I am thankful my kids are in school. I am thankful they have qualified, experienced teachers. If they leave the profession in droves who will replace them? I have no time for the snide "well there are loads of people who would be glad of their jobs" shite. I don't think kids would benefit from a mass intake of inexperienced staff, especially not ones who think that all they need to know to be a decent teacher is their subject. There's loads more to teaching than that.

My 5 year old is so, so happy to be back in school, his teachers have done such a fantastic job of making him feel safe and normal and I know they feel neither safe nor normal themselves. I am fed up of many of my fellow parents, who whine and bitch about being asked to wear a mask for 10 minutes at drop off and pick up, complain endlessly about the lack of school fucking trips, rant that our children's educations are being blighted because we're not currently having reading records sent between school and home...

toxtethOgradyUSA · 21/10/2020 09:51

OP you suggest we should be worried about teachers leaving he profession. I am guessing here but surely at the present time with so much uncertainty around, most teachers are sitting tight. Have a look out there - there are no jobs! Our local fish and chip shop had 500+ applications for a job behind the counter the other week. It's an absolute bloodbath out there. That's the stark reality.

Youandmeareluckytobeus · 21/10/2020 09:54

You have my sympathy OP. I wouldn't want to be a teacher in these times when you know that children spread Covid-19 asymptomatically and you are teaching them without any protection and may have vulnerable family members you need to protect. It would be a nightmare.

I'd rather every member of teaching staff and every pupil wore a mask all day to, at least, try and minimise covid infection. That way you could interact with your colleagues more too. Everyone would soon get used to wearing the masks.

Feellikefrighteningyeah · 21/10/2020 09:54

Shop workers, carers , school caretakers and cleaners

TheDuchessofMalfy · 21/10/2020 09:55

Yanbu

I agree it’s really shit, but I also agree it’s not just teachers

That probably makes the situation worse than you’ve said, rather than better though! Everyone’s in shit! Hooray! Hmm

Hopeful201 · 21/10/2020 09:56

I appreciate the teachers, thank you for keeping my two DS sane. Being back at school has helped them so much, I dread it if we go back to online teaching (the school was excellent-full time lessons throughout).
I think the biggest problem is the schools went from zero to full pace and trying to catch up, I know my two were knackered from the sudden change in pace. Their school has worked hard with bubbles, cleanliness, self isolating etc.

Try to get plenty of rest over half term, it will be tough up to Christmas. I think you will be given a longer break to tackle cases and then on to Spring....
I also think pretty much everyone is feeling sh1t, wfh is awful, being frontline is incredibly difficult, losing your job, missing people etc everybody is having a battle. Look out for yourself and look after others, above all try to be kind.

samuraimyths · 21/10/2020 10:05

The teachers of my 4 children all say how happy they are to be back in class with kids. That is what motivates them. All of them taught online in their living rooms which they found more stressful and disconnected as they could not see the direct result of their teaching as clearly. On Mumsnet there are so many teachers whining- perhaps teaching is no longer for them and they are burnt out and perhaps they should indeed quit or do temp work as there must be a high demand for temporary staff. However, I would like to say that I personally greatly value and respect the teachers of my own children and our heads are doing their utmost too to find a balance for everyone in their school community. I see my 6 year old DS teacher go for a run straight after teaching with another young colleague (socially distanced of course) pretty much every day straight after school in the local country park. Both teachers are happy and motivated. I have spoken to lots of friends who are teachers too and they are all fine and have adapted. So I just do not believe that the vast majority of teachers are feeling more down than other people in other jobs/professions. Yes there is a bit of disconnect with colleagues but you can overcome that with technology somewhat if there is the will to do so. I think the atmosphere in most jobs depends on your whole community - there are plenty of great schools pulling together in this time, working together and making the most of this situation which is far from ideal for most people. Personally I would hold onto a job with a salary in the present times unless I knew for sure there was another opening.

TheVanguardSix · 21/10/2020 10:07

OP. Every single day, I drop my kids at school with such a full heart. My kids' teachers sent out visit-the-classroom videos which made me cry. Their semi-forced enthusiasm and genuine effort to appear optimistic at a time of great spiritual darkness really made me sad. I know how hard those teachers are working. I know how impossible it is to have to try and keep children's well-being at the forefront while your own takes a back seat. It's a thankless task. It is really, really, really fucking hard and people like you have my deepest respect. You are keeping this ship from sinking. People like you in your position are part of that great engines feeding rarified stability into this stability-eating machine consuming our collective well-being. You're doing this faster than you can keep up. And it is utterly exhausting.

And your post is why I feel angry when posters say things like "OOOhhh all the drama! Everything will be alright. We survived the wars! This is just a challenge which we'll overcome." Yes, it's true. We will get through this. Of course we will. But some of us will get through it by the skin of our teeth. I am sick and tired of the tedious platitudes I read on MN because they totally and utterly devalue the experiences of teachers, doctors, nurses, delivery drivers, police, and on and on and on and on. Sanctimonious platitudes silence the unhappy. You're not allowed to be scared or unhappy or angry. We talk each other's jobs down. "I'm in a worse position than you. Why are you moaning? You have a term time job! I'm more exposed to the virus than you are." It is shitty for everyone... every single one of us. Some of us have it harder than others. And we wonder why we have a mental health crisis? Because people who are so alone in their fears cannot even voice their unhappiness and woe on a forum without being condemned for it. All of the competitive resentment and saccharine-soaked platitudes completely undermine the valid fears of those who are going without. My husband is a GP. I am not privy to his consultations. That would be an enormous breach. What I do know is that my DH is broken. He spends his whole day trying to manage the unfixable. He can't magic money for a hungry family spiraling into mental health crises. He can't bring wellness or decent care even to the elderly patients no longer being regularly tended to by district nurses run off their feet in ways they've never known throughout their entire careers. My DH goes in and cleans up the piss and the shit of elderly patients dying alone in their flats. I write this knowing that some fucker on MN will probably try and report DH to the police because he's breaking some fucking rule by being a decent human being. By next spring, I won't have a brother anymore because everything has been so slowed down, it's too late to treat his cancer. Maybe a vaccine will allow us a normal funeral.

Platitudes sugar-coat the reality of this invisible enemy: Covid-19 and glide right over the next huge hurdle to fall, Brexit and above all, the impact the combined two are having on people. These are gloomy times. We just have to put one foot in front of the other. We are ALL allowed to have a moan, even those with a job and a steady income. This is not some race to the bottom here. The impact of covid-19 and the worry of a no-deal Brexit gather to create collective stress and anxiety. It's really important to allow people a safe platform where they can vent without being bullied or being labelled as 'dramatic' or a 'neghead'. No one should have to just 'suck it up'. We do, by default, but it's cathartic to just let shit out and verbalise our fears.

BogRollBOGOF · 21/10/2020 10:08

The real problem is that the teaching workload, resourcing and accountability systems have been atrocious and declining for the past decade. Then all the Covid crap on top and expecting the same outcomes out of less and less input to support teaching staff to deliver them.

Long term, the way to manage retention is for the government and OFSTED to slash the beaurocratic half of the job and restore teaching and learning as the job's core.

Things are shit across the board, over worked, underworked and vulnerable on reduced incomes, unemployed, entire industries mothballed or destroyed. But come 2021, 2022, 2023 what are the odds that schools remain underinvested in and still with ridiculous, unnecessary systems that make every term a battle to get through long after the hazard tape has worn away and desks are filled in other sectors.

ktp100 · 21/10/2020 10:09

I'm of the opinion that, just as they say about working with the general public, everyone should have to spend a week working as a teacher!

Unless you've experienced it you will never know how hard it is.

And yes, before people pipe up I've also worked in offices, shops, care etc.

All people see is the long holidays. Very little sympathy or gratitude for this public service.

I hope things get better soon, OP.x.

Itisbetter · 21/10/2020 10:09

@herecomesthsun I’m not sure. It doesn’t seem to have got the message across because you still seem to believe STEM teachers are in scarce supply exactly because they have excellent maths and science qualifications and can do other better paid white collar jobs like these. They will be in a relatively good place to diversify, switch career, even migrate etc., even in an economic downturn.. The market (job) is absolutely flooded with people with just this skill set. Most jobs advertised are receiving avalanches of applicants. Are you under the impression that only blue collar workers are struggling to find work? Shock

Ylvamoon · 21/10/2020 10:10

@Enoughnowstop - I get you, I have teens. We spent weeks and months not socialising, keeping to ourselves. Not seeing friends and vulnerable family, not doing the things we enjoy like eating out or a visit to the cinema.

The moment my DC went back to school, I knew our risk catching the virus has increased massively. The kids will eventually bring it home, I've just resigned myself to this fact. It's the same for families with DC at schools all over the country. And on top of it, many families have the added pressure of heavily reduced wages should they have to isolate because of DC catching it at school...
So what do you expect from parents? Pat your back and say well done?

herecomesthsun · 21/10/2020 10:11

I'm under the impression that STEM teachers would be relatively well placed in the job market compared with a lot of other people looking for work.

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